Many respond to the question of why God created us by saying something like it being for His pleasure, and for Him to love us, etc. And when asked about our utmost goal of all goals, it is to die and go to Heaven. I DISAGREE! lol
The very first chapter of the Bible (significant) says God made man to have dominion on the earth and to subdue it. THAT IS IT!
To restore us to where we fell from, God would not have us die and go to Heaven. We fell from having dominion over the earth.
Yes, if we die we will go to Heaven. However, NOT FOREVER, though. Shocked? Think about it. THERE IS A RESURRECTION COMING in which we will once again abide in our EARTH SUITS called BODIES which are not made for Heaven or the unseen realm. Only, we will never die physically again.
God made us to have dominion on earth. Satan fell from heaven, not man. So dying and going to heaven is not our utmost goal.
Thoughts?
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Many respond to the question of why God created us by saying something like it being for His pleasure, and for Him to love us, etc. And when asked about our utmost goal of all goals, it is to die and go to Heaven. I DISAGREE! lol
The very first chapter of the Bible (significant) says God made man to have dominion on the earth and to subdue it. THAT IS IT!
To restore us to where we fell from, God would not have us die and go to Heaven. We fell from having dominion over the earth.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Yes, if we die we will go to Heaven. However, NOT FOREVER, though. Shocked? Think about it. THERE IS A RESURRECTION COMING in which we will once again abide in our EARTH SUITS called BODIES which are not made for Heaven or the unseen realm. Only, we will never die physically again.
God made us to have dominion on earth. Satan fell from heaven, not man. So dying and going to heaven is not our utmost goal.
Thoughts?
I am shocked.
Could you share some of where you get this thought from. I am intrigued.
You know, I have had this same thought as well before. I'm not sure why. The bible does say that God is creating new heavens and a new earth. Why would he create a new earth that was going to be uninhabited?
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Be content with what you have, for God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid." Hebrews 13:5,6
Love is patient, love is kind, Love does not insist on its own way. Love bears all things, believes all things,
Hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails.
- I Corinthians 13:4-8
You know, I have had this same thought as well before. I'm not sure why. The bible does say that God is creating new heavens and a new earth. Why would he create a new earth that was going to be uninhabited?
"Behold, I make ALL things NEW." He redeems the earth to become NEW.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Psalms 115:14-16 The LORD shall increase you more and more, you and your children. (15) Ye are blessed of the LORD which made heaven and earth. (16) The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
Heaven is GOD'S DOMAIN, not man's. He gave EARTH to man. Why would He create man to live an infinitesimally small duration of his existence in earth, with the vast majority of eternity future in heaven, if God gave earth to man? It's like saying man should live on earth and fulfill God's purpose for him for 70 mere years, and then get outta here and spend the rest of eternity in Heaven playing harps on clouds. i think Genesis 1 would have stated something more about what we will do in Heaven if dying and going to Heaven was our purpose and utmost desire, and we were to spend the least amount of our existence in earth. But here we are singing about flying away, when we all get to heaven, and what a day that will be, when God is hollering at us to pray for His will in heaven to be done in earth and for the Kingdom to COME here!
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Could you share some of where you get this thought from. I am intrigued.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Where is one word about leaving earth forever one day? Not there.
Matthew 6:9-10 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
While we are praying to get earth out of here into heaven, God is telling us to pray for Heaven to come to earth! How? His Kingdom is extended into the physical realm from the heavenly realm through mankind.
The principle all through the NT is that we must see that which is in heaven projected into the earth. We find this concept in our need to be led of the Spirit and not our flesh.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
His Spirit is meant to empower us.
Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Why? To see the will of God DONE IN EARTH in the physical realm.
Stop and think about it. Where does the bible explicitly state we are meant to go to heaven and leave this earth forever? It talks about entering Life and it talks about inheriting the Kingdom. But where? In Heaven? No! It's a tradition that is not there.
Yes we die today and go to heaven, but only temporarily.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Where is one word about leaving earth forever one day? Not there.
Matthew 6:9-10 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (10) Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
While we are praying to get earth out of here into heaven, God is telling us to pray for Heaven to come to earth! How? His Kingdom is extended into the physical realm from the heavenly realm through mankind.
The principle all through the NT is that we must see that which is in heaven projected into the earth. We find this concept in our need to be led of the Spirit and not our flesh.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
His Spirit is meant to empower us.
Romans 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Why? To see the will of God DONE IN EARTH in the physical realm.
Stop and think about it. Where does the bible explicitly state we are meant to go to heaven and leave this earth forever? It talks about entering Life and it talks about inheriting the Kingdom. But where? In Heaven? No! It's a tradition that is not there.
Yes we die today and go to heaven, but only temporarily.
It's interesting. But reading your book left some interesting options open too.
So... we go to heaven until the day mans dominion on the earth is restored is what you are saying?
Do you have any thoughts on references in scripture that would give an expected timeline? Could be near? Must be near? Probably isn't for centuries?
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