Where do the lost spend eternity? Really!

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Is it still the Pentecostal mentality that if you sin or have a bad thought and haven't repented for it that you will go to hell?

For example, say there was a Sunday night service and I was dancing and shouting and speaking in tongues... then I get out of church that night and on the way home I have a bad thought (maybe a cute girl is walking down the street and I admire her for just a moment)... if I am then in an accident and die without repenting for the "lustful" thought, I will go to hell right?

I'm sure most people would rather not say, but I have to take things to their logical conclusion and fill in the blanks... this is why things have never added up for me... except Grace - the version of Grace that I didn't learn makes it add up, but not my actual experience growing up in the UPC.

No you dont go to Hell because of a passing thought that ran through your mind. I have never heard anyone teach that. But if you entertain an evil thought dwelling on it yes it is a sin.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by ILuvFPC

I for one am NOT going to hell! I will rely on God's abundant mercy and grace to cover my short comings and help me to repent of all sin.

Are your works perfect? Hope so!

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

By the way our works must be perfect to save our souls from Hell.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Eternal torment/burning/torture/.... whatever you want to call it. Is that the ultimate fate (after judgement) of the lost?

One meaning of judgment is "the setting of things right", God's mercy and His severity result in a curative effect. Call it punishment, purging, correction or according to Malachi it is "a refiners fire" and a "launderers soap". The fire will burn all that is dross, that "...his soul will be saved, howbeit by fire".

Most folks "gospel" is anything but "GOOD NEWS".

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Most folks "gospel" is anything but "GOOD NEWS".

I've noticed that, too!

One will go to hell into the regions of darkness because the light of heaven shining upon the grotesque countenance of him/herself would be too much for one to bear. The darkness of hell would seem to be a great relief from such vivid exposure to a sin-twisted, gnarled, monsterous condition of the spirit.

One goes to hell because the tortue of the presence of a holy God in the presence of evil would seem far greater than any perceived tortue of hell. Hence the "voluntary jump from atop the twin towers" syndrome. The burning fire inside top of the World Trade Center was less acceptable than a plunge for the 84th floor. So will the plunge into hell be more inviting. The headlong plunge into the retgions below will seem far more bearable.

Lastly, one will plunge themselves into hell since God sends no one there. When one loves their evil, they will gravitate toward it regardless of the consequences that follow. Since there is no repentance in eternity, one will grow to love their evil more and more through eternity.

But, when seeking relief in their evil state while being tortued in the presence of a holy God, seeing their awful grotesque condition in the light of heaven, when one does plunge headlong into the darkness seeking relief, they can never escape from that abyss, forever chained in the regions of the damned.

The bible speaking of hell refers to it in the plural..."being in tormentS."

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

One will go to hell into the regions of darkness because the light of heaven shining upon the grotesque countenance of him/herself would be too much for one to bear. The darkness of hell would seem to be a great relief from such vivid exposure to a sin-twisted, gnarled, monsterous condition of the spirit.

One goes to hell because the tortue of the presence of a holy God in the presence of evil would seem far greater than any perceived tortue of hell. Hence the "voluntary jump from atop the twin towers" syndrome. The burning fire inside top of the World Trade Center was less acceptable than a plunge for the 84th floor. So will the plunge into hell be more inviting. The headlong plunge into the retgions below will seem far more bearable.

Lastly, one will plunge themselves into hell since God sends no one there. When one loves their evil, they will gravitate toward it regardless of the consequences that follow. Since there is no repentance in eternity, one will grow to love their evil more and more through eternity.

But, when seeking relief in their evil state while being tortued in the presence of a holy God, seeing their awful grotesque condition in the light of heaven, when one does plunge headlong into the darkness seeking relief, they can never escape from that abyss, forever chained in the regions of the damned.

The bible speaking of hell refers to it in the plural..."being in tormentS."

Interesting, Bro Strange. This survey didn't ask who is lost -- just what happens to them. But your post invites one to wonder: are all the lost truly people who "love evil"? I bet you'll find very few who would say, oh yes, I do love evil. Sure, there are some wild ones about, who for whatever reason are in blatant rebellion, but most people, even non-Apostolics, would say it's absurd to even consider. "Love evil? Are you nuts? Of course I don't love evil!"

Further, many non-Apostolics obviously claim to love God, and seem to believe with all their hearts that they are following the Bible's instruction. They won't say they are perfect in that regard (is anyone?), but they are trusting in God's grace, have accepted Christ's atonement, etc.

I think a lot of folks will be surprised at who "made it" to Heaven!

[Ron]

Here's my take.

1. The lost will go to hell. It isn't my place to say who is lost. The Bible says that one must repent, be baptised in water in Jesus name for the remission of sins, receive the gift of the Holy Ghost and envdevour to live a holy life.

2.God is soverign and can do whatever he desires, biblicaly speaking there is only one plan of salvation.

3.There is a difference in sinning, and being tempted to sin.

4.If one does sin and knows about it, if one repents, it is forgiven-right then.

5.God is not "obligated" to save anyone. This plan of salvation is his idea.
if we don't think it is merciful enough-remember this we ain't God.

Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written. The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.


Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

There is Grandma & every other person throughout time who has not had God's redemption.

They are in God's hands.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Timmy

What choice would you like? Give us a write-in!

I did. I said the go to the Lake O Fire and did not stipulate that it means torture or burning sulfur etc etc

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

Rev. 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire

so who is not written in the book of life?

Rev. 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable,murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerors, idolaters, and all liars shall have thier part in the lake which burns with fire and brimestone, which is the second death.

so if someone is one of these, (unless they repent, are baptized in Jesus name, and filled with the Holy Ghost,)than that,s where they go.

all scripture from NKJV.



ARPH

Look out cowards

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

Is it still the Pentecostal mentality that if you sin or have a bad thought and haven't repented for it that you will go to hell?

For example, say there was a Sunday night service and I was dancing and shouting and speaking in tongues... then I get out of church that night and on the way home I have a bad thought (maybe a cute girl is walking down the street and I admire her for just a moment)... if I am then in an accident and die without repenting for the "lustful" thought, I will go to hell right?

I'm sure most people would rather not say, but I have to take things to their logical conclusion and fill in the blanks... this is why things have never added up for me... except Grace - the version of Grace that I didn't learn makes it add up, but not my actual experience growing up in the UPC.

So Grace-Repentance=Salvation?