Mammoth Resurrection

[scotty]

Originally Posted by DAII

Maybe they can make "minis" using a Gecko? Mommy I want a mini T-Rex!!!!

that would be way too cool ! It could possilbly end the practice of dog fighting .

[DAII]

Originally Posted by scotty

that would be way too cool ! It could possilbly end the practice of dog fighting .

You know PETA would have something to say about Dino fighting. And Vick might be tempted to fall off the wagon again.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

Would you agree that it is a break away from His natural design ?

If God was angry with man for building the tower of babel to get closer to Him, would it be too far a stretch to think He would have a problem with man trying to be Him ?

I don't take the Tower of Babel as being an attempt to "be closer to God." It strikes me as more of an attempt to "be like God" and to usurp God's position while also refusing to fulfill His commands ("... lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" & etc.).

I don't see "cloning" as an attempt by man "to be God." It's a method of reproducing an organism - not creating one.

That being said, I don't think it's always in the organism's best interest to be cloned either. Still, a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool. One foreseeable problem however, is that we don't really know or understand their habitats and ecosystems.

African elephants tear up the forests and open grazing land. That's a good thing, generally. However, with the climate changes over the past million years, the African forests have become a rather fragile thing. The mammoths of North America likely opened up grazing areas in the hard wood forests like their African cousins but that isn't really something we need right now.

Who knows? Maybe pachyderms are "supposed" to be going extinct?

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ummm, well.... the natural plan is plainly stated in the bible.

I understand the making babies and I agree, but we aren't talking about artificial insemination. We are talking about taking the cells of one who has past on and re-creating that person.

If God didn't want us to try and re-create His work, He shouldn't have made cloning devices in women, lol. He should have just kept with the tried and true dirt/rib method.

We already create humans, via natural and artificial methods. Artificial cloning would just be an extension of that. What's the phrase, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? Who knows, He might like it. lol

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't take the Tower of Babel as being an attempt to "be closer to God." It strikes me as more of an attempt to "be like God" and to usurp God's position while also refusing to fulfill His commands ("... lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" & etc.).

I don't see "cloning" as an attempt by man "to be God." It's a method of reproducing an organism - not creating one.

That being said, I don't think it's always in the organism's best interest to be cloned either. Still, a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool. One foreseeable problem however, is that we don't really know or understand their habitats and ecosystems.

African elephants tear up the forests and open grazing land. That's a good thing, generally. However, with the climate changes over the past million years, the African forests have become a rather fragile thing. The mammoths of North America likely opened up grazing areas in the hard wood forests like their African cousins but that isn't really something we need right now.

Who knows? Maybe pachyderms are "supposed" to be going extinct?

The ecological effect and other problems that might arise with this new species ... including defects ... would be the ethical issue, if any.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I don't take the Tower of Babel as being an attempt to "be closer to God." It strikes me as more of an attempt to "be like God" and to usurp God's position while also refusing to fulfill His commands ("... lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth" & etc.).

I don't see "cloning" as an attempt by man "to be God." It's a method of reproducing an organism - not creating one.

That being said, I don't think it's always in the organism's best interest to be cloned either. Still, a woolly mammoth would be pretty cool. One foreseeable problem however, is that we don't really know or understand their habitats and ecosystems.

African elephants tear up the forests and open grazing land. That's a good thing, generally. However, with the climate changes over the past million years, the African forests have become a rather fragile thing. The mammoths of North America likely opened up grazing areas in the hard wood forests like their African cousins but that isn't really something we need right now.

Who knows? Maybe pachyderms are "supposed" to be going extinct?

Now that is the question to be asking. Perhaps they went extinct for a reason, a la the ecosystem could not longer support them. Perhaps bringing them, or any animal back, would cause ripple effects in ways we cannot possible fathom.

"A Sound of Thunder", anybody?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ummm, well.... the natural plan is plainly stated in the bible.

I understand the making babies and I agree, but we aren't talking about artificial insemination. We are talking about taking the cells of one who has past on and re-creating that person.

This would be an interesting experiment in what it means to be not only human, but what it means to be "ourselves."

Identical twins are clones, but they are unique individuals. In fact, as time goes on their features often become increasingly distinguished along with their lifestyles.

If we were to clone Leonardo da Vinci today, would "our" da Vinci be guaranteed to be a great artist?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Now that is the question to be asking. Perhaps they went extinct for a reason, a la the ecosystem could not longer support them. Perhaps bringing them, or any animal back, would cause ripple effects in ways we cannot possible fathom.

"A Sound of Thunder", anybody?

There disappearance coincides perfectly with the receding of the glaciers during the last ice age. I am sure they didn't breed like rabbits so even mild hunting from the native populations would have decimated them as their habitat decreased.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by coadie

Like a 50/50 cat/fish?

Whatever.

There is every reason to think that they are close enough to modern elephants that interbreeding would have been possible, at least under lab conditions.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Whatever.

There is every reason to think that they are close enough to modern elephants that interbreeding would have been possible, at least under lab conditions.

When you visit the zoo you are NOT supposed to feed the animals. Of course, the best arguments against YEC are coadie's posts themselves.