Shorts

[houston]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think its more of a cultural thing.

Sub culture.

As a Catholic boy I wore shorts to mass. Most of us did.

In a conservative church that I attended the boys are/were allowed to wear shorts up until the age of 12, I think. You reach that age and suddenly it's a sin to wear shorts. Illogical to say the least.

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Is the following "immodest?" Are these men "naked?" Does this represent a "compromise" that will lead to nudity?



Looks like a bunch of guys getting ready to go boating. What Biblical standards are being infringed here? Remember: Biblical.

I've been in the church for many years, and have always wondered why it's not "ok" for men to wear long shorts...like the ones in the forefront...if it's "ok" for women to wear skirts the same length. But like someone has already mentioned...you guys need to learn how to sit right! I've been sitting in front of guys sitting with long shorts on and have been downright embarrassed!

I think the Lord expects us to be modest, and when you're just a few inches from showing your privates, you're not being modest....male or female!

Good heavens! Why don't we just pray and let the HG lead?

[Truthseeker]

Falla39

How do you react when you see a sister with a skirt just past her knees or 2 inches below? Do you believe it leads to nakedness?

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by unitedpraise10

... I prayed about it, and God spoke to me, and said it was ok.

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Wow, that's a holy grail of sorts for many Christians--you prayed and God spoke to you concerning a controversial issue. Wouldn't that pretty much settle it? I wouldn't care at all about others' reasons for believing the opposite about any issue if God personally spoke to me about same. But what if a clothesline conservative reports that God spoke to him or her about what to teach concerning wearing shorts? Should that be considered legitimate evidence?

[Hoovie]

I think Falla is just reacting to what she sees as a continual change in everything - including dress. No doubt about it, many of these changes are not a move toward godliness or Christian character, but are rather influenced by the changes we see in the greater world around us, and it causes concern in some people.

For example, some people reading this are currently in a church service! LOL!

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Sarah

I've been in the church for many years, and have always wondered why it's not "ok" for men to wear long shorts...like the ones in the forefront...if it's "ok" for women to wear skirts the same length. But like someone has already mentioned...you guys need to learn how to sit right! I've been sitting in front of guys sitting with long shorts on and have been downright embarrassed!

I think the Lord expects us to be modest, and when you're just a few inches from showing your privates, you're not being modest....male or female!

Good heavens! Why don't we just pray and let the HG lead?

Now there's a novel idea........

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I think its more of a cultural thing. It's acceptable for a women to show her lower leg without offense but for men it's consider inapproriate. Sometimes we have to live within a cultural standard to not be offensive. Our problem is we sometimes make a cultural standard a holiness standard. If men showing their lower leg is a holiness issue then so is women showing their lower legs like most churches do even cons.

I have no dog in this fight, but a couple of things jump out at me.

1) Pel, I think you over-reacted to Falla. Somewhere along the line, this must have struck a real nerve with you. She went straight from her first sentence in to the sentence regarding "skorts". So she wasn't just talking about men - she was talking about women as well.

2) The cultural thing: There was a time (not too long ago when you consider history) that was totally inappropriate for any "lady" to show her ANKLE and now even "Apostolic" "ladies" show their entire leg below the knee - shaven and without hosiery at that. We've come a long way, baby.

My personal opinion? It doesn't matter to anyone here.

[SeekingOne]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Never dreamed the day would come when Apostolic Pentecostals would be arguing
about whether they could wear shorts or not. A few years ago, the question was
whether you could wear Skorts or not. Will the day come when the question will be
"Can we go naked"! Adam and Eve were naked in the beginning. Why can't we go
naked. We are born naked. Where will it stop!

I know people right now that God is showing the truth to, and they are SO thankful.
Blessed are they that do hunger and thirst after righteousness, for they shall be filled.

Falla39

Soooo, are you and your hubby going to start wearing robes, like Jesus, and stop being so worldly wearing men's business suits and dresses that would have NEVER been worn back in Jesus' day?

This is where this kind of thinking goes. Like others have stated, modesty is what is important. Jesus dressed according to the culture of his day. He didn't try to dress differently or try to stand out. (All that white robe stuff is for the movies, no way he had a clean unsmelly robe everywhere he went.) We should dress according to the culture we live, be it Japanese, Chinese or American - just modestly.

If women wearing pants is not modest, then men should quit wearing them too, because they have more in their pants to show than women. Jesus didn't wear pants, so you can't say it is biblical for men to wear pants any more than it is biblical for women to wear dresses and not veils.

Please just see that you love your traditions of men, and that is fine if that is what you love. But, please, please, please stop trying to tie it to something Jesus loves. Really, it's fine you like your traditions, really it is. It just isn't fine that you think it is something holy, it is just man made rules that have nothing to do with scripture.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by SeekingOne

Soooo, are you and your hubby going to start wearing robes, like Jesus, and stop being so worldly wearing men's business suits and dresses that would have NEVER been worn back in Jesus' day?

This is where this kind of thinking goes. Like others have stated, modesty is what is important. Jesus dressed according to the culture of his day. He didn't try to dress differently or try to stand out. (All that white robe stuff is for the movies, no way he had a clean unsmelly robe everywhere he went.) We should dress according to the culture we live, be it Japanese, Chinese or American - just modestly.

If women wearing pants is not modest, then men should quit wearing them too, because they have more in their pants to show than women. Jesus didn't wear pants, so you can't say it is biblical for men to wear pants any more than it is biblical for women to wear dresses and not veils.

Please just see that you love your traditions of men, and that is fine if that is what you love. But, please, please, please stop trying to tie it to something Jesus loves. Really, it's fine you like your traditions, really it is. It just isn't fine that you think it is something holy, it is just man made rules that have nothing to do with scripture.

i wonder how fashion-able it would be if the men came in camel fur,

[shag]

I look at it as, "would Jesus and his apostles wear shorts nowadays if they were here in the U S?". I think they wouldnt have a problem wearing ones like the length in Pels photo, so that's why I wear shorts like those(except they need some camo ones in there!) I realize others probably don't think they would, but I figure that's part of working out our own salvation. Too bad many will judge others for doing so.

I have a shortly kept beard because I don't think they'd have a problem with doing that either, here and now.

I do attend UPC, and have worn them to summer fellowship/gatherings outside of service a couple times, just me, but never At service, yet. In many minds, Theyd probably stone me to death if I did so Ill probably never go there.