What I don't really understand is how some seems to not understand where some standards come from.
I'm not UPC but in my church its simply to be in keeping with the Biblical principle of modesty.
It's seems like one wants to know how far up a dress/pants or sleeves can come up or how much skin showing until its immodest and when there apostle/prophet/pastor/teacher/minister gives them a limit to be in keeping with modesty they call foul, "who's you to put up a standard?" "the line is not specific in the Bible so who's you to place the line there?" "God didn't call/send you to pastor/preach/teach or help guide me into a closer walk with Jesus?" "I do that all on my own."
Truth of the matter when someone comes into the church they come from the world and sometimes there sense of modesty may still be in line with the world's modesty limit, for example standard beach attire or standard immodest clothings of the world. The church simply tells a new convert a more spiritual minded standard of modesty. I don't see why that should be a problem.
I define it as something that is stated in the bible. There's nothing in the bible about shorts, so therefor it's not a biblical principle....it's a man made principle.
I define it as something that is stated in the bible. There's nothing in the bible about shorts, so therefor it's not a biblical principle....it's a man made principle.
Ok, I can accept that. Now again.
What are biblical principles ?
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
I define it as something that is stated in the bible. There's nothing in the bible about shorts, so therefor it's not a biblical principle....it's a man made principle.
Well the principle is not the shorts, the principle is modesty. The question is whether the shorts are in keeping with the Biblical principle of modesty.
Well the principle is not the shorts, the principle is modesty. The question is whether the shorts are in keeping with the Biblical principle of modesty.
It's seems the focus is on the what not the why.
And we have a winner !
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
Is biblical principle even biblical? He didn't say if you love me keep my principles.
and the plot thickens, good question.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
UPCI member here- My response....I am in a place right now where I need God to work a miracle in my life. The past three months have been a battle with devils, and circumstances like never before. Things have been revealed to me about myself that I never thought were true. I have been going through hunger, restlesness, pressure and learning like never before; hinging on the word of God and words of saints. My failures surround me and I am developing a more keen awareness that God is not an option, but the only possible way for me to retain my life. Worship is harder to come by and I go part-of-the-day by part-of-the-day. I am leaning on elder saints who are prayer warriors to uphold me because my life is in a state of seeming disrepair- financial distress, family problems, uncertainty, unemployment, regret, struggle...But I believe God! He will get me through this! I have heard his promises and he has spoken to me much over this time. Even when I wake up in complete fear, or when friends don't speak with me, or I feel loss of hope- He has taught me that he is in these places, and has dominion. So even though I failed, and my heart condemns me...God is greater!
...when, or if you ever go through this type of valley, then revisit the issue of how long the hem of your pants should be.
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