Further Proof Obamacare is Unconstitutional

[Seascapes]

The insurance that people will have to take is only about $57.00 a month, and that is dirt cheap. ..... What about the state making you take auto insurance?... that is the same thing. If I don't keep my auto insurance paid, I get a letter saying for me to send my car tags in. If the Health Care Reform Bill is illegal, then the auto insurance is illegal.

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

The insurance that people will have to take is only about $57.00 a month, and that is dirt cheap. ..... What about the state making you take auto insurance?... that is the same thing. If I don't keep my auto insurance paid, I get a letter saying for me to send my car tags in. If the Health Care Reform Bill is illegal, then the auto insurance is illegal.

Good point, initially. But, what would you do if you got hit from someone else and they didn't have insurance coverage? Would you have the money, yourself, to cover the damages and/or buying a new car? That's what auto insurance is for. So, on the other hand, the two cannot be compared, principle or otherwise. First of all, the auto insurance network isn't as complex as the health care network is. Red tape in the auto insurance industry isn't nearly as complex as it is in the health care industry. I think there are so many stark differences, too many to list actually, that the two cannot be compared...

[canam]

Nothing personal MB but why cant someone get in in less than ayear for a simple back surgery ,the obvious answer is age (70's) and saying you have higher taxes is an understatement to say the least,in fact, your taxes total about 47 percent of income ,thats terrible.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

The insurance that people will have to take is only about $57.00 a month, and that is dirt cheap. ..... What about the state making you take auto insurance?... that is the same thing. If I don't keep my auto insurance paid, I get a letter saying for me to send my car tags in. If the Health Care Reform Bill is illegal, then the auto insurance is illegal.

Difference being its required to have liability ins only in case you cause accident, you don't have to cover your car.

57 a month? Who do you think paying the rest?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

"Yet another federal court has recognized that the Obama Administration’s attempt to force each and every American to purchase health insurance is an egregious violation of our Constitutional rights..."

http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/16497/

It's because of this that Obamacare was doomed to fail the very first second it was signed into law. His law will never stand the scrutiny of the Supreme Court.



He didn't want to create unnecessary ire, so he never presented his idea in the form of an additional tax-- which would have been the ONLY legal way for him to do what he wanted to do.

Had he done so, the fight wouldn't have been any more or any less intense than it was.

In a way, Obama is too much of a people pleaser-- and that's why very few people are happy with him.

That's the irony of being a person-pleaser.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Difference being its required to have liability ins only in case you cause accident, you don't have to cover your car.

57 a month? Who do you think paying the rest?

TS,
Another angle is this-- if you don't own a car, then you don't have to have auto insurance.

So to compare Obama's healthcare law to the mandate for auto insurance is flawed from the start.

The mandate for auto insurance only applies to Americans who drive.

Obama's healthcare law would apply to every American and we won't even mention the non-Americans who would benefit from our forced generosity.

It sounds a bit selfish, and maybe it is-- but it doesn't make the injustice of Obamacare as it is now any more just.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Probably one reason so many canadian nurses come here to work.

BTW I think big difference is canada has universal healthcare while Obamacare if just forcing people to buy health insurance and forcing taxpayers to help pay for it.

We also have thousands of Canadian docs than came south.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

TS,
Another angle is this-- if you don't own a car, then you don't have to have auto insurance.

So to compare Obama's healthcare law to the mandate for auto insurance is flawed from the start.

The mandate for auto insurance only applies to Americans who drive.

Obama's healthcare law would apply to every American and we won't even mention the non-Americans who would benefit from our forced generosity.

It sounds a bit selfish, and maybe it is-- but it doesn't make the injustice of Obamacare as it is now any more just.

Your boy is not very bright. Your progressive agenda is giving waivers by the hundreds.

[Seascapes]

Originally Posted by Dagwood

Good point, initially. But, what would you do if you got hit from someone else and they didn't have insurance coverage? Would you have the money, yourself, to cover the damages and/or buying a new car? That's what auto insurance is for. So, on the other hand, the two cannot be compared, principle or otherwise. First of all, the auto insurance network isn't as complex as the health care network is. Red tape in the auto insurance industry isn't nearly as complex as it is in the health care industry. I think there are so many stark differences, too many to list actually, that the two cannot be compared...

That is the point, when people go to the emergency room without insurance, who pays the bill? And the comparison is both are INSURANCE, and insurance is ripping off the American people. Taking their money, and then trying to get out of paying the bill, such as reasons of pre-existing conditions. Who..that is 50 or over, don't have a pre-existing condition. My daughter is 38, and she has a pre-existing back problem, also her first baby was a C-section, and the insurance, before the Health Care Reform Bill that was signed in, would not cover her having another baby, but the new Health Care now does cover her.

Also, the new Health Care, helps women to get birth control pills FREE. The only thing that the Health Care Reform Bill does is to stop the INSURANCE COMPANIES from ripping off the American people. I can not see why anyone would want to do away with the Health Care Reform Bill, that was signed in by our President. The only reason is GREED by the doctors and insurance companies fighting to get MORE MONEY for themselves instead of us. .( Bible states.....Woe be unto the doctors and the lawyer...(WHY) ..that take advantage of the hardships of others ).

[Dagwood]

Originally Posted by Seascapes

That is the point, when people go to the emergency room without insurance, who pays the bill? And the comparison is both are INSURANCE, and insurance is ripping off the American people. Taking their money, and then trying to get out of paying the bill, such as reasons of pre-existing conditions. Who..that is 50 or over, don't have a pre-existing condition. My daughter is 38, and she has a pre-existing back problem, also her first baby was a C-section, and the insurance, before the Health Care Reform Bill that was signed in, would not cover her having another baby, but the new Health Care now does cover her.

Also, the new Health Care, helps women to get birth control pills FREE. The only thing that the Health Care Reform Bill does is to stop the INSURANCE COMPANIES from ripping off the American people. I can not see why anyone would want to do away with the Health Care Reform Bill, that was signed in by our President. The only reason is GREED by the doctors and insurance companies fighting to get MORE MONEY for themselves instead of us. .( Bible states.....Woe be unto the doctors and the lawyer...(WHY) ..that take advantage of the hardships of others ).

Sorry, but the underlying attitude with people of your thinking is: since I have to suffer, others should suffer also. It's all about equality, isn't it?

I can't answer for those people who rip the system off, be it fraudulently or otherwise. Perhaps, they might be the reason why premiums are so high and coverage so little. Come to think of it, the government system (Medicaid) is one we can thank. More tax dolloars from our pocket to pay for someone else'e healthcare for free.

I work in health care. I work for an isurance company. Do I agree with some of the things I see? No. My premiums and coverage are high/not that good. But, I'm certainly not going to expect my neighbor, friends, family to have to suffer from something I don't agree with.

That's okay. You and the people of your thinking will all be suffering just like the rest of us will once/if you get your way. Now THAT is equality for all. Do I wish for it? No. But, it is a reality. So be careful just what you support and who...