Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
Saw the interview on Fox and Friends, and I am saddened by dad and mom's implication that this is a "phenomenom" and that he wants to preach and "wear a tie" and that they are astounded by his "passion" as if this is a God thing.
Brother/pastor Tipton needs to tread softly here.
The lad wants to please his daddy, obviously and has also discovered that he can be a source of a LOT of attention by conducting himself like a "preacher". He is a baby, for crying out loud. It is very sad. By promoting the media coverage of this behavior, Mom and dad are borderline emotional manipulators, and honestly, I felt some anger because of it.
Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
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Originally Posted by Sabby
Saw the interview on Fox and Friends, and I am saddened by dad and mom's implication that this is a "phenomenom" and that he wants to preach and "wear a tie" and that they are astounded by his "passion" as if this is a God thing.
Brother/pastor Tipton needs to tread softly here. The lad wants to please his daddy, obviously and has also discovered that he can be a source of a LOT of attention by conducting himself like a "preacher". He is a baby, for crying out loud. It is very sad. By promoting the media coverage of this behavior, Mom and dad are borderline emotional manipulators, and honestly, I felt some anger because of it.
I agree with the bolded part of your post. Very sad to see this toddler lose his childhood like this.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
To me it embodies the performance nature of Pentecostalism. Many of these things called "moves of God" are nothing more than learned behaviors when the preacher says it a certain way, or the music plays a certain style or people get together the "have church". The Youtube video has adults cheering and shouting in a playful manner encouraging the little boy (then 21 months) going "ya-ya-ya-ya" in a micorphone saying absolutely nothing. You think a toddler isn't going to eat up a crowd cheering him and giving him affirmation for his performance? It does not encourage faith, trust or knowing Jesus. All it does is send the message to kids that performance equals a relationship with God. And for many that is all they have as they grow up: a series of emotional experiences from Sunday to Sunday, youth service to youth service, youth camp to youth camp, etc. All the while not being established in the Word, discipleship, true opportunities to serve, to experience missions and living out their faith. Its all about the church service and having a move of God.
While your post is certainly never going to get you invited to preach at Geneal Conference it is the absolute truth.
Going all the way back to my Bible College days I have said one of the things that bothers me the most in old time Pentecost is that preachers preach for response rather than results.
The style of preaching and content is most times geared toward eliciting an immediate emotional response rather than long term results.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
The child is the grandson of the Mississippi District superintendent, Donald Tipton. He pastors in Grenada, Mississippi.
Good folks over all. I went to college with one of his sons.
I think they just did something to be cute and it kind of got out of hand. I don't think that they actually believe the child is preaching but maybe they do.
These are the same folks that rejoiced over Borat's "conversion" - are they not?
I would tend to agree about it being cute. The child has a gift for mimicry. That's cute when most kinds do something similar: emulating their parents or someone they see frequently. When my oldest was one or two years old he used to "preach" along with me. He seemed to think it was pretty amazing that his Dad's voice was coming out of those speakers and he wanted join in with it.
If people are really being "brought to their feet" by this "preaching," then I think that we do have another "Borat-style phenomena" at work. UPC people are trained and coached to "get to their feet" like Nancy Pelosi every time Obama makes an "applause" line in a State of the Union speech.
And, when they "get lazy" (usually, when they get to feeling stupid about their ape-like behavior and start demanding real content in their sermons) they are scolded by evangelists and their pouting and "hurt" pastors. So the cycle starts all over again.
I watched the MSNBC tape and saw how the young boy was cued by the preacher (his father?) to assume positions across the platform. If the church is actually getting anything out of this, then the must have been schooled to accept pretty much anything that comes from their platform. No discernment, no checking the Scripture to see if these things be true... just enjoy it for whatever entertainment you can get out of it and keep quite about wanting any "meat."
It's not the kid that I have a problem with. It's the adults. And the fact that when an adult steps into the pulpit and acts like a 4-year-old we're all somehow supposed to like it.
Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
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Originally Posted by CC1
While your post is certainly never going to get you invited to preach at Geneal Conference it is the absolute truth.
Going all the way back to my Bible College days I have said one of the things that bothers me the most in old time Pentecost is that preachers preach for response rather than results.
The style of preaching and content is most times geared toward eliciting an immediate emotional response rather than long term results.
I had coffee with a UPC preacher and he asked me about that night's Bible study. I told him we were doing an expository study of Romans. He said hecould never do those, because he would always end up not "feeling" it for that week and hed end up leaving the study and teaching something else. I thought to myself that this was probably the common approach to the miniostry of the Word in Pentecostal circles. Therefore there is a lot of Biblical illiteracy and a lot of spiritualism. The problem is that the truth makes you free, not goosebumps and convulsions.
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Re: Kid Preacher (UPC) on Today and Fox and Friend
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Originally Posted by deacon blues
I had coffee with a UPC preacher and he asked me about that night's Bible study. I told him we were doing an expository study of Romans. He said hecould never do those, because he would always end up not "feeling" it for that week and hed end up leaving the study and teaching something else. I thought to myself that this was probably the common approach to the miniostry of the Word in Pentecostal circles. Therefore there is a lot of Biblical illiteracy and a lot of spiritualism. The problem is that the truth makes you free, not goosebumps and convulsions.
Whoa!!! Can you even say that? Oh yeah, you are anonymous (sort of).
Great Post!
__________________ "It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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