Acts 18:24-26
24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.
25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.
26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
You'll notice that Aquila and Priscilla didn't berate or condemn Apollos for not understanding the fulness of truth. Instead, they took him aside and labored with him lovingly to expound unto him the way of God more perfectly.
That SHOULD be our calling to the traditional church. Instead... a spirit of bitterness has alienated us from the very believers that God intends us to bring revival to.
Sometimes...people read what they think is the negative in passages of Scriptures and overlook the Spiritual promises of what God said He would do for us. It is up to us to claim those Spiritual promises.
For 30 years I have prayed for guidance in my life and God has never let me down any time I have prayed and just believed, even when I did not see immediate answers.
Thank you TGBTG for ministering to me this morning.
Thanks. I'm humbled sister...
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
Wow. It's not often someone here concedes one of my points. Congratulations!
Timmy, I see you missed this part of my earlier post.
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The bible says that the Spirit bears witness our spirit that we are the sons of God. If Jesus knows them, their spirit will bear witness to that truth.
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Matt 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
They called him Lord, but they obviously did not obey his will. Jesus himself said "he never knew them." They could claim to know Jesus, but did Jesus know them? That's the real question?
Jesus said in John 10:14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
So yes, they might claim to "know" Jesus, but only Jesus knows if they truly know him.
We see a lot of "christians" today who claim to know Jesus, but does Jesus know them? that question is one that each individual has to answer for himself.
The bible says that the Spirit bears witness our spirit that we are the sons of God. If Jesus knows them, their spirit will bear witness to that truth.
As for them having the HolyGhost: Yes, they prophesied in his name and did many wonderful works.
A person doing such does not NECESSARILY mean the person is APPROVED by the God. Now, this may sound strange, but look at the case of Balaam and Saul.
Balaam prophesied under the anointing of the Spirit of God. Yet, Jesus rebuked him in Rev 3. In fact, God did not approve of Balaam in Numbers 23 even though he did prophesy.
Saul prophesied when the Spirit of God came upon him (even the Hebrews said "Is Saul among the Prophets?"). But Saul was no prophet.
So yes, a person can do mighty works in under the anointing in the name of the Lord, but yet the person is NOT approved by the Holy Spirit of God.
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
Timmy, I see you missed this part of my earlier post.
Didn't miss it. If one's spirit bears witness, then I guess you are right. You can know with 100% certainty. As long as you aren't mistaken about that bearing witness. Those rejected believers probably thought their spirits bore witness, too. (But still, you did say only Jesus knows. )
Are the Mormons correct, too, when they have a burning in the bosom? That's how they know they are right. Sounds similar to your bearing witness.
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B]Do you obey his will[/B]? All the time? The rejected believers in the story all thought they were doing his will, but they were not. (Oddly, they were doing things Jesus did, and things the Bible would later tell them they should do. Can't win, can ya!)
John 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The will of the Father is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So, yes, I am doing his will (I make this statement not with pride but just respectfully)
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What is Jesus' will?
Jesus's will is the will of the Father, and that is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the will of God.
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Among other things, we see that he expects you to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take in strangers, give a drink to the thirsty, visit the sick and prisoners. If you don't, it's everlasting punishment for you.
Let us remember that Jesus spoke these things before the work of the Cross was accomplished. Jesus was showing the Jews that they were not living the real meaning of the law. They did not take in strangers, give drink to the thirsty, good samaritan story also applies here. You see, Jesus was showing the Jews that although they claimed to know God, they DID NOT fulfill the Law.
However, Jesus HIMSELF fulfilled the Law of GOD.
And Rom 8:4 says "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
When we walk in the Spirit, we fulfill the Law of God. Those good deeds which you mentioned are done by those that walk in the Spirit, not to achieve salvation, but because of the salvation that has been accomplished in their life.
Christians who give to the homeless, visit the less fortunate do it not to gain access to heaven, but as a result of the mercy of compassion which they have received from God.
So let's not get it wrong that Jesus requires us to do a list of things to make heaven. All those "lists" are fulfilled in us when we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:4)
The WORK of the Cross of Jesus Christ is FINISHED. Can't add to it.
In Christ's love...
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
John 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
The will of the Father is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. So, yes, I am doing his will (I make this statement not with pride but just respectfully)
Jesus's will is the will of the Father, and that is to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. That is the will of God.
Let us remember that Jesus spoke these things before the work of the Cross was accomplished. Jesus was showing the Jews that they were not living the real meaning of the law. They did not take in strangers, give drink to the thirsty, good samaritan story also applies here. You see, Jesus was showing the Jews that although they claimed to know God, they DID NOT fulfill the Law.
However, Jesus HIMSELF fulfilled the Law of GOD.
And Rom 8:4 says "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
When we walk in the Spirit, we fulfill the Law of God. Those good deeds which you mentioned are done by those that walk in the Spirit, not to achieve salvation, but because of the salvation that has been accomplished in their life.
Christians who give to the homeless, visit the less fortunate do it not to gain access to heaven, but as a result of the mercy of compassion which they have received from God.
So let's not get it wrong that Jesus requires us to do a list of things to make heaven. All those "lists" are fulfilled in us when we walk in the Spirit (Rom 8:4)
The WORK of the Cross of Jesus Christ is FINISHED. Can't add to it.
In Christ's love...
He was talking about the future, though. Predicting how He Himself would separate the sheep from the goats. But maybe you are right. There is no more law. God doesn't care anymore what you do (as far as your eternal fate goes). "Depart from me" is the last thing you'll expect to hear, I'm sure.
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Didn't miss it. If one's spirit bears witness, then I guess you are right. You can know with 100% certainty. As long as you aren't mistaken about that bearing witness. Those rejected believers probably thought their spirits bore witness, too. (But still, you did say only Jesus knows. )
Are the Mormons correct, too, when they have a burning in the bosom? That's how they know they are right. Sounds similar to your bearing witness.
Ha...maybe I should explain myself better.
Yes, Jesus knows but his followers also know. What I mean by knowing is that there is an assurance in my heart. This is something that cannot be explained. It's something that you just know. Furthermore, a real born again person's live will not contradict walking in the Spirit. He/she will manifest the fruit of the Spirit too.
In matt 7, they claimed to know Jesus, but Jesus says he NEVER knew them. On the other hand in John 10, Jesus says he knows his sheep and his sheep know him. So yes, if you are born again, you will most definitely know.
Jn 10:14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
The Mormons might claim they "know", but their doctrine CONTRADICTS the very words of Jesus. Now, I know there are doctrinal arguments even among born again believers (which ought to be respectful, but usually not..lol). However, after a mormon tried to convert, I know for sure that their doctrine is just plain wrong.
Some of what I remember off the top of my head:
1 They believe that the book of mormon is ANOTHER TESTAMENT of Christ.
I But the bible NEVER spoke of another testament coming.
2 They believe that Jesus came to the Americas to spread the gospel. )The one who spoke to me said, it is even possible that Jesus also went to Africa to spread the gospel). According to him, Jesus did this to spread the gospel to the world so that not only Jerusalem had it's environs had the gospel.
II But that is direct CONTRADICTION to Jesus telling his disciples to go into ALL the WORLD. Why would Jesus tell his disciples to go into ALL the world and then he (Jesus) now decides to quickly run ahead of them?
3. Joseph smith saw God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
III The bible says NO MAN can see God. Only in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the visible image of God
4. The Aaronic priesthood is continued and John the baptist anointed Joseph Smith
IV Seriously? That is Just funny. The Aaronic priesthood was done away with. Jesus' priesthood superceded that of Aaron
These are just the few I can remember right now. I don't doubt that the mormons are kind natured people, respectful and all that, but they have some weird doctrines that ADD to the FINISHED work of Christ.
At the end of the day, religion tries to ADD or REMOVE (most cases, add) to the WORK of Christ.
It's either Jesus Christ alone or nothing at all.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
He was talking about the future, though. Predicting how He Himself would separate the sheep from the goats. But maybe you are right. There is no more law. God doesn't care anymore what you do (as far as your eternal fate goes). "Depart from me" is the last thing you'll expect to hear, I'm sure.
What do you mean by this? I'm not quite sure I understand you.
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
Yes, Jesus knows but his followers also know. What I mean by knowing is that there is an assurance in my heart. This is something that cannot be explained. It's something that you just know. Furthermore, a real born again person's live will not contradict walking in the Spirit. He/she will manifest the fruit of the Spirit too.
In matt 7, they claimed to know Jesus, but Jesus says he NEVER knew them. On the other hand in John 10, Jesus says he knows his sheep and his sheep know him. So yes, if you are born again, you will most definitely know.
Jn 10:14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
The Mormons might claim they "know", but their doctrine CONTRADICTS the very words of Jesus. Now, I know there are doctrinal arguments even among born again believers (which ought to be respectful, but usually not..lol). However, after a mormon tried to convert, I know for sure that their doctrine is just plain wrong.
Some of what I remember off the top of my head:
1 They believe that the book of mormon is ANOTHER TESTAMENT of Christ.
I But the bible NEVER spoke of another testament coming.
2 They believe that Jesus came to the Americas to spread the gospel. )The one who spoke to me said, it is even possible that Jesus also went to Africa to spread the gospel). According to him, Jesus did this to spread the gospel to the world so that not only Jerusalem had it's environs had the gospel.
II But that is direct CONTRADICTION to Jesus telling his disciples to go into ALL the WORLD. Why would Jesus tell his disciples to go into ALL the world and then he (Jesus) now decides to quickly run ahead of them?
3. Joseph smith saw God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
III The bible says NO MAN can see God. Only in the person of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the visible image of God
4. The Aaronic priesthood is continued and John the baptist anointed Joseph Smith
IV Seriously? That is Just funny. The Aaronic priesthood was done away with. Jesus' priesthood superceded that of Aaron
These are just the few I can remember right now. I don't doubt that the mormons are kind natured people, respectful and all that, but they have some weird doctrines that ADD to the FINISHED work of Christ.
At the end of the day, religion tries to ADD or REMOVE (most cases, add) to the WORK of Christ.
It's either Jesus Christ alone or nothing at all.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
OK, so what we have is the truly saved, and the deluded. They both "know" they are saved, but only the truly saved are correct in that assurance, and the deluded are wrong. But they don't know they're wrong. They themselves would say exactly what you say, that they know that they know that they know.
I think I'll stand by my claim. Sorry.
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