Annoying people on AFF

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

That's why there are many rooms in the Fathers house...

I'm pretty sure that usually is considered to mean something different.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Poor Jay we've got to get you out of your bubble more often!

God made breasts to feed babies. The fact the men find them hot is probably a hold over of some mommy love thing I nursed all my kids back in the day when it was not popular for women of middle class and above because from a medical standpoint there is NOTHING more healthy for baby or mom.

Women burn an additional 400 calories a day while breast feeding so it gets that baby weight off quick. Any man that wants strong healthy kids and a nice thin wife who is not still carrying 20 pounds of 'baby fat' when the kid is going into junior high school should encourage his wife to breast feed.

Women already feel a little uncomfortable with it and shaming or suggesting that a woman is an exhibitionist is a sure way to either make her go all militant and hang her boobs out everywhere or just give up depending on how much she is invested or how strong she is.

Let's be nice to our mothers, they have plenty to deal with already without men- who will never be responsible for choosing their infants nutrition- being judgmental.

No, I have no problem with feeding in public, but I do happen to be most at ease when every one at table is appropriately covered (which can be done even during the feeding time, which is what led to this whole discussion anyway).

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Jay

No, I have no problem with feeding in public, but I do happen to be most at ease when every one at table is appropriately covered (which can be done even during the feeding time, which is what led to this whole discussion anyway).

And my point is that how covered/not covered a woman is/is not during breast feeding is nobody's business but her own and her infants. If for some reason you or any other man/woman can not keep from sexualizing the feeding of an infant, or have to act like a breast was put on a woman's chest by God only to tempt men, etc. then that is YOUR problem.

I feel like you have one of three choices: 1. change your view and recognize that breasts were actually MADE for feeding babies and that you have a socially influenced response to them caused by them always being covered by decent women and peek-a-boo displayed by morally loose women in your social circle and only ever fully exposed by whores, because that is how MEN decided it should be...OR 2. Remove yourself from any situation where a woman is feeding a baby before you even give a hint of expressing your disapproval at her showing her breasts if that should happen during said feeding. OR 3. Go on in your ignorance and blame women for your personal hang-ups (after all that is how most men handle it, right?) and keep perpetuating the myth that women who show their breasts during BREAST feeding are somehow trying to tempt men in to sin.

I am not knocking you personally Jay, you seem like a great guy who will consider this and become a greater guy because of it. It's a common issue as evidenced by others who have said that they are not comfortable with women feeding their babies.

My stake in this is simple. I do not want to ever see another mom go through what I did while nursing my babies. I spent many of my first couple of babies feedings in standing in only marginally clean public restrooms, while my friends ate a nice meal out, In freezing cold and burning hot cars, in back bedrooms of family members homes. My family (INLAWS) was hugely disapproving of my nursing which was considered low class and maybe even dirty. I was publicly shamed and even the medical community was not on my side since at the time infant formula was considered superior to breast milk. By baby 3 I became a militant La Leche League supporter who would feed anywhere and could have cared less if anyone found it shocking. Neither way was healthy though and new moms have plenty of other doubts and insecurities that we can do little to help.

This is one area where we can be supportive and let them know that we are not offended. Love, understanding and support for Christian sisters by Christian brothers is a needful thing. Women weary of being considered seductresses only designed to lead men astray and it makes them tire of the church where there seem to be more of those hangups and undeserved labels.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And my point is that how covered/not covered a woman is/is not during breast feeding is nobody's business but her own and her infants. If for some reason you or any other man/woman can not keep from sexualizing the feeding of an infant, or have to act like a breast was put on a woman's chest by God only to tempt men, etc. then that is YOUR problem.

I feel like you have one of three choices: 1. change your view and recognize that breasts were actually MADE for feeding babies and that you have a socially influenced response to them caused by them always being covered by decent women and peek-a-boo displayed by morally loose women in your social circle and only ever fully exposed by whores, because that is how MEN decided it should be...OR 2. Remove yourself from any situation where a woman is feeding a baby before you even give a hint of expressing your disapproval at her showing her breasts if that should happen during said feeding. OR 3. Go on in your ignorance and blame women for your personal hang-ups (after all that is how most men handle it, right?) and keep perpetuating the myth that women who show their breasts during BREAST feeding are somehow trying to tempt men in to sin.

I am not knocking you personally Jay, you seem like a great guy who will consider this and become a greater guy because of it. It's a common issue as evidenced by others who have said that they are not comfortable with women feeding their babies.

My stake in this is simple. I do not want to ever see another mom go through what I did while nursing my babies. I spent many of my first couple of babies feedings in standing in only marginally clean public restrooms, while my friends ate a nice meal out, In freezing cold and burning hot cars, in back bedrooms of family members homes. My family (INLAWS) was hugely disapproving of my nursing which was considered low class and maybe even dirty. I was publicly shamed and even the medical community was not on my side since at the time infant formula was considered superior to breast milk. By baby 3 I became a militant La Leche League supporter who would feed anywhere and could have cared less if anyone found it shocking. Neither way was healthy though and new moms have plenty of other doubts and insecurities that we can do little to help.

This is one area where we can be supportive and let them know that we are not offended. Love, understanding and support for Christian sisters by Christian brothers is a needful thing. Women weary of being considered seductresses only designed to lead men astray and it makes them tire of the church where there seem to be more of those hangups and undeserved labels.

Now I'm confused (well, MORE confused). Women get do whatever they want when they want (as far as breastfeeding goes) and it is my job to look away? What if I can't?

And is there any part of a woman (or man) that one CAN 'sexualized'? Sex itself may be a bit hard for some (most?) if we view our sole purpose of our bodies is to be a breeding machine.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

And my point is that how covered/not covered a woman is/is not during breast feeding is nobody's business but her own and her infants. If for some reason you or any other man/woman can not keep from sexualizing the feeding of an infant, or have to act like a breast was put on a woman's chest by God only to tempt men, etc. then that is YOUR problem.

I feel like you have one of three choices: 1. change your view and recognize that breasts were actually MADE for feeding babies and that you have a socially influenced response to them caused by them always being covered by decent women and peek-a-boo displayed by morally loose women in your social circle and only ever fully exposed by whores, because that is how MEN decided it should be...OR 2. Remove yourself from any situation where a woman is feeding a baby before you even give a hint of expressing your disapproval at her showing her breasts if that should happen during said feeding. OR 3. Go on in your ignorance and blame women for your personal hang-ups (after all that is how most men handle it, right?) and keep perpetuating the myth that women who show their breasts during BREAST feeding are somehow trying to tempt men in to sin.

I am not knocking you personally Jay, you seem like a great guy who will consider this and become a greater guy because of it. It's a common issue as evidenced by others who have said that they are not comfortable with women feeding their babies.

My stake in this is simple. I do not want to ever see another mom go through what I did while nursing my babies. I spent many of my first couple of babies feedings in standing in only marginally clean public restrooms, while my friends ate a nice meal out, In freezing cold and burning hot cars, in back bedrooms of family members homes. My family (INLAWS) was hugely disapproving of my nursing which was considered low class and maybe even dirty. I was publicly shamed and even the medical community was not on my side since at the time infant formula was considered superior to breast milk. By baby 3 I became a militant La Leche League supporter who would feed anywhere and could have cared less if anyone found it shocking. Neither way was healthy though and new moms have plenty of other doubts and insecurities that we can do little to help.

This is one area where we can be supportive and let them know that we are not offended. Love, understanding and support for Christian sisters by Christian brothers is a needful thing. Women weary of being considered seductresses only designed to lead men astray and it makes them tire of the church where there seem to be more of those hangups and undeserved labels.

Wow, I really had no idea. Brought to you by the same idiots who decided formula was better than breast milk, lol...I must truly be a pod, as I would be unmoved at a naked nipple here, but prolly uncomfortable in a room full of mini-skirts.

"What if I can't look away?"

What?

[Titus2woman]

No one is saying look away... just don't stare in an impolite way, there is a difference. Admitting curiosity or even feeling a lilttle uncomfortable is not wrong. When I began openly nursing my babies I had women and men alike admit to me that they had never known anyone who breastfed... I hadn't either before I actually did it so I didn't have any trouble understanding their feelings. I was more confident by baby three, my babies had never been sick, didn't throw up (spit up) all the time, slept well and were robust and content. My two older kids were well adjusted, happy and secure. All that had been stolen from me was my peace and my joy in being able to nourish my babies without being considered some kind of freak.

I work in gynecology. We have five male doctors. They view the most 'secret' female anatomy every day without sexulizing it. They are otherwise just regular guys, not given some super powers to resist temptation. Anybody can do the same thing by deciding that it is not the parts of the human body that are sinful but lust and over coming lust is a daily work like overcoming all weakness of the flesh.

We can't avoid food but we shouldn't over eat, can't aviod using money but we should not love it or even the things it can get us, can't avoid the human body but we can teach ourselves when it is appropriate to feel sexual and WHEN IT IS NOT. It is a myth that shames men over and over that they can not control themselves. It forces them to extend blame for this to women and sets up an adversarial relationship that does not have to exist.

I have raised five sons. Your daughters would be safe anywhere with them... Why? Because they know that they can control their desires, their passions, their lust... they are not victims of their own psyches. They have a will. Having the Holy Ghost strengthens that will if we will let it but even men without the spirit are capable of choices.

I have heard for the last time that God made men this way. He certainly did not. Men were made in God's image, with healthy passions. Sin has made men what they are today and the mixed messages of society. We need to collectively grow up and admit that we do not have to give in, even to our own thoughts. It's what Jesus preached.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

No one is saying look away... just don't stare in an impolite way, there is a difference. Admitting curiosity or even feeling a lilttle uncomfortable is not wrong. When I began openly nursing my babies I had women and men alike admit to me that they had never known anyone who breastfed... I hadn't either before I actually did it so I didn't have any trouble understanding their feelings. I was more confident by baby three, my babies had never been sick, didn't throw up (spit up) all the time, slept well and were robust and content. My two older kids were well adjusted, happy and secure. All that had been stolen from me was my peace and my joy in being able to nourish my babies without being considered some kind of freak.

I work in gynecology. We have five male doctors. They view the most 'secret' female anatomy every day without sexulizing it. They are otherwise just regular guys, not given some super powers to resist temptation. Anybody can do the same thing by deciding that it is not the parts of the human body that are sinful but lust and over coming lust is a daily work like overcoming all weakness of the flesh.

We can't avoid food but we shouldn't over eat, can't aviod using money but we should not love it or even the things it can get us, can't avoid the human body but we can teach ourselves when it is appropriate to feel sexual and WHEN IT IS NOT. It is a myth that shames men over and over that they can not control themselves. It forces them to extend blame for this to women and sets up an adversarial relationship that does not have to exist.

I have raised five sons. Your daughters would be safe anywhere with them... Why? Because they know that they can control their desires, their passions, their lust... they are not victims of their own psyches. They have a will. Having the Holy Ghost strengthens that will if we will let it but even men without the spirit are capable of choices.

I have heard for the last time that God made men this way. He certainly did not. Men were made in God's image, with healthy passions. Sin has made men what they are today and the mixed messages of society. We need to collectively grow up and admit that we do not have to give in, even to our own thoughts. It's what Jesus preached.

Tell it, sister.

[bbyrd009]

A big Amen.
And ps, those thoughts you're having, you, a good Christian, that seem inappropriate, embarrassing, why am I having these thoughts? They aren't ever going away, ok? They are just free will tossing out possibilities, you don't have to dwell on them, and they are not you (until you fixate on them). Unclench. it's normal. The pope even has them, ok?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

No one is saying look away... just don't stare in an impolite way, there is a difference. Admitting curiosity or even feeling a lilttle uncomfortable is not wrong. When I began openly nursing my babies I had women and men alike admit to me that they had never known anyone who breastfed... I hadn't either before I actually did it so I didn't have any trouble understanding their feelings. I was more confident by baby three, my babies had never been sick, didn't throw up (spit up) all the time, slept well and were robust and content. My two older kids were well adjusted, happy and secure. All that had been stolen from me was my peace and my joy in being able to nourish my babies without being considered some kind of freak.

I work in gynecology. We have five male doctors. They view the most 'secret' female anatomy every day without sexulizing it. They are otherwise just regular guys, not given some super powers to resist temptation. Anybody can do the same thing by deciding that it is not the parts of the human body that are sinful but lust and over coming lust is a daily work like overcoming all weakness of the flesh.

We can't avoid food but we shouldn't over eat, can't aviod using money but we should not love it or even the things it can get us, can't avoid the human body but we can teach ourselves when it is appropriate to feel sexual and WHEN IT IS NOT. It is a myth that shames men over and over that they can not control themselves. It forces them to extend blame for this to women and sets up an adversarial relationship that does not have to exist.

I have raised five sons. Your daughters would be safe anywhere with them... Why? Because they know that they can control their desires, their passions, their lust... they are not victims of their own psyches. They have a will. Having the Holy Ghost strengthens that will if we will let it but even men without the spirit are capable of choices.

I have heard for the last time that God made men this way. He certainly did not. Men were made in God's image, with healthy passions. Sin has made men what they are today and the mixed messages of society. We need to collectively grow up and admit that we do not have to give in, even to our own thoughts. It's what Jesus preached.

Thank you sister.

[The Matt]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I work in gynecology. We have five male doctors. They view the most 'secret' female anatomy every day without sexulizing it.

How do you know?