Anger + Sadness = RAGE

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The victim was not a man, he was a minor.

A 17-year old is eligible to join the armed forces. He is no longer deemed a boy.

Having weed residue in your book bag a few days ago doesn't mean that on the night in question he was dealing drugs.

However, mental instability and the violent criminal record of the ADULT MALE who killed the minor is relevant because he KILLED someone who was walking along minding his own business and when he was told to not approach his victim, he did so anyway.

"Those __________ are always getting away."


The law that zim hope to protect him was never designed to protect the person who starts an altercation with someone and when that person defends himself, the initiator kills his target.


As for "looking suspicious" or looking like an adult-- that argument never holds up for cases of statutory rape and it should not hold up here.

Or as a society, do we not want consistency when it comes to the application of our laws and the protection of our law abiding citizenry?

You are pushing the "looking suspicious" again. We simply do not know what has happened in this case. We do not know the full facts.

We had background on Zimmerman where people were calling him mentally unstable. Well, I brought out some background on Trayvon. If we are going to look at Zimmerman's background and take that into consideration, we are going to do that with Trayvon as well.

This has been my only dog in the fight and I will let PJ Tatler speak for me as you won't let me use the verbiage they have used:

"As soon as this story became a political football, the backgrounds of both Zimmerman and Martin became relevant. Discussion of both became fair game. From what we continue to learn about both, this story just refuses to cooperate with the medialeft’s narrative of white racist Republican cracker killed angelic black youth in cold blood, police look the other way citing unnecessary “stand your ground” laws. The man who pulled the trigger was neither white nor Republican. The black youth was less than angelic."

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/03/27...ered-democrat/

And this was the most pathetic video I have ever seen, besides Al Sharpton:

MSNBC HOST BLAMES LIMBAUGH, GINGRICH, SANTORUM FOR TRAYVON MARTIN'S DEATH

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV?id={EA0E2B36-391C-47D3-A57F-2D6790DDFA35}&title=MSNBC%20Host%20Blames%20Limbau gh%20Gingrich%20Santorum%20Rhetoric%20For%20Trevon %20Martin%20Death

In this video, she (Karen Finney) is blaming the Koch Brothers:
http://freebeacon.com/dem-operative-...koch-brothers/

I don't know who did what, but I'm sure not going to sit here pointing fingers at ONE person to hang. I'm going to look at BOTH of them. When I have background on BOTH, I'm going to look at them BOTH.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

So does Limbaugh or anyone else who participates in public commentary using their real name.


I started this thread, using my real name.

My desire is to encourage awareness and discussion, not to get on jury duty.



Oh and I am not being biased as I claim others to be. No Ma'am.

With what has been presented to the public, with zimrod's quip, "Those ****** always get away," and with everything else presented so far, it is a very safe assumption (if you want to call it such) that zimwit didn't back down when he was told to, that he accosted and harrased a young man (still a minor) minding his own business and when the minor defended himself, he was killed.

Again, the law that zim hopes to find protection in was never meant to be used to shield a person sho starts a fight with someone and then kills that person because the other person defended themselves when they were approached first.


How is it so difficult to see that if zim had simply NOT approached the 17 year old MINOR that none of this would be happening?


The notion that he "looked like suspicious" even looked like a suspicious man doesn't hold up.

In cases of statutory rape, does the argument, "Well she looked like she was old enough" hold any water?


Whatever...

How do you know "these ......... get away" is not refering to criminials that have been breaking in to places in that area?

There's no proof he acosted or harrassed the teen, doesn't mean he didn't just no evidence he did.

[Jermyn Davidson]

After further thought, I fully submit that, NO I am NOT being as objective as some may claim they are trying to be!

Trayvon Martin was by law a child.

What? Are we not upset when a nearly full grown child is killed? We care more for fetuses that may or may not survive than we do for a human being who's life was snuffed out unnecesarilly?


What about the race factor?
Yes I am offended. I am especially offended!

I have four "Hoodies". Four of them!
I am a black male too.
So if I am walking home in the rain and decide to wear one of my "Hoodies" it is my fault if I am accosted by someone who thinks I am suspicious looking?


If that person is NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, they better step away-- and I felt that way BEFORE this tragedy.

I imagine that it is a normal way of thinking that if I am minding my business and someone approaches me with stupidity, the only person that would stop me from busting the person in the jaw would be Jesus.

Especially if I think I am being followed too? It's a normal human reaction to go into FIGHT OR FLIGHT mode when threatened!

But no, Trayvon Martin is not a normal minor, he's a tall minor-- a tall, intimidating, young black male, looking like a thug, walking in the rain with his head hung down and his Hoodie on and a bag of skittles in his pocket and iced tea in his hand.


No, I am not as objective as I could be.

This is PERSONAL! It could have been me-- not you-- it could have been me!

A 17 year old boy is dead ultimately because he looked suspicious. People don't want to bring race into this, but what made Trayvon Martin look so suspicious?

When you answer that question honestly, and when all of the facts are presented, then honest and objective discourse can occur.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Pressing On, you're irritating me.

So I am going to leave after this post.


Had Martin died in combat at 17, one of the responses to his death would be, "He's just a boy."

"Bring our boys home!"


It's not CONVENIENT to consider the fact that Trayvon Martin was technically a boy at the time of his death.

Furthermore, at 17, you still need your parents' or gaurdian's permission to join the armed forces.



The statutory rape illustration appears lost on you too.

God bless you my sister. I'll return when I'm in a better place concerning my attitude towards this thread.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

After further thought, I fully submit that, NO I am NOT being as objective as some may claim they are trying to be!

Trayvon Martin was by law a child.

What? Are we not upset when a nearly full grown child is killed? We care more for fetuses that may or may not survive than we do for a human being who's life was snuffed out unnecesarilly?


What about the race factor?
Yes I am offended. I am especially offended!

I have four "Hoodies". Four of them!
I am a black male too.
So if I am walking home in the rain and decide to wear one of my "Hoodies" it is my fault if I am accosted by someone who thinks I am suspicious looking?


If that person is NOT LAW ENFORCEMENT, they better step away-- and I felt that way BEFORE this tragedy.

I imagine that it is a normal way of thinking that if I am minding my business and someone approaches me with stupidity, the only person that would stop me from busting the person in the jaw would be Jesus.

Especially if I think I am being followed too? It's a normal human reaction to go into FIGHT OR FLIGHT mode when threatened!

But no, Trayvon Martin is not a normal minor, he's a tall minor-- a tall, intimidating, young black male, looking like a thug, walking in the rain with his head hung down and his Hoodie on and a bag of skittles in his pocket and iced tea in his hand.


No, I am not as objective as I could be.

This is PERSONAL! It could have been me-- not you-- it could have been me!

A 17 year old boy is dead ultimately because he looked suspicious. People don't want to bring race into this, but what made Trayvon Martin look so suspicious?

When you answer that question honestly, and when all of the facts are presented, then honest and objective discourse can occur.

You're right, you are not being objective. Recuse yourself from the case.

Some are saying the Dispatcher said, "Don't follow him." Period.

People involved in the case are saying the Dispatcher said, "You don't have to do that."

Zimmerman replies, "Okay."

Where we stand is that the investigators say that the witness and Zimmerman's accounts match up. They didn't arrest him and it was because there was more than "stand your ground" involved. If anything else comes out, we will look at that. Right now, I believe we are at an impasse.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Pressing On, you're irritating me.

Sorry, Jermyn. I am very sure I would irritate you greatly in court.

[Pressing-On]

Jermyn,
You can stay. I will leave the thread and give you some breathing room.

[Cindy]

Has anyone heard or read anywhere about Zimmerman's Dad being a retired judge, and his Mom works in the court system as a clerk?

[Cindy]

http://rollingout.com/culture/george...losed-arrests/

Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, in clearing his name in three separate arrests?
That’s the question that’s being asked now that more information on Trayvon Martin’s 28-year-old killer is being revealed. Robert Zimmerman, a former Orange County magistrate judge, recently wrote a letter to The Orlando Sentinel defending his son, who’s been dragged through the mud for shooting the unarmed 17-year-old last month. In the letter, the senior Zimmerman asks people not to jump to conclusions and insists that his son didn’t follow the young boy home as he walked through their gated community.

[Cindy]

http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-...opstories.html

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.