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12-20-2012, 12:56 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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I'm curious, how long? What's the charge?
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I figure you could go either way.
Murder
Or (if she was caught due to resulting injuries) attempted suicide.
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12-20-2012, 12:59 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
The best rebuttle would be to ensure those who performed underground abortions are charged with murder. With full sentence.
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12-20-2012, 01:06 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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I figure you could go either way.
Murder
Or (if she was caught due to resulting injuries) attempted suicide.
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Scotty, there isn't statute of limitations on murder. If we declare the crime "murder" every woman who has ever procured an abortion can be hunted down and tried for murder.
And do you really think we'd ever try a woman for "murder" if she had an abortion?
Has the United States ever tried a woman for "murder" for procuring an abortion?
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12-20-2012, 01:20 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Scotty, there isn't statute of limitations on murder. If we declare the crime "murder" every woman who has ever procured an abortion can be hunted down and tried for murder.
And do you really think we'd ever try a woman for "murder" if she had an abortion?
Has the United States ever tried a woman for "murder" for procuring an abortion?
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Your asking irrelevent questions.
First off, you can grandfather in the 'has beens'
Second, doesn't matter what I 'think' we would do, you asked what possible charges 'could be' considered.
Third, doesn't matter what the US has ever done in the past because it has no bearing on what your asking could be done in the future.
If you look at it realistically, I do believe she should be charged with at least manslaughter. Maybe neglegent homicide. But the one performing underground abortions should be charged with murder.
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12-20-2012, 01:33 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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I'm curious, how long? What's the charge?
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Murder.
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12-20-2012, 02:27 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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Your asking irrelevent questions.
First off, you can grandfather in the 'has beens'
Second, doesn't matter what I 'think' we would do, you asked what possible charges 'could be' considered.
Third, doesn't matter what the US has ever done in the past because it has no bearing on what your asking could be done in the future.
If you look at it realistically, I do believe she should be charged with at least manslaughter. Maybe neglegent homicide. But the one performing underground abortions should be charged with murder.
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You can't grandfather "murder"... there isn't a statute of limitations for "murder". And by "grandfathering" murder, you've just devalued human life.
If you're not sharing what you think we should do... then why respond???
What the US has done in the past establishes a legal precedence.
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12-20-2012, 02:42 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
Another thought. If this was about a woman wanting to do what she wants with HER body, why do they kill the fetus? Why don't they deliver it and put it on life support? That's about as good a compromise as you can get. However, I don't think it's really about a woman wanting to do what she wants with her body. It's more about what she wants to do with her life.
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12-20-2012, 03:57 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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You can't grandfather "murder"... there isn't a statute of limitations for "murder". And by "grandfathering" murder, you've just devalued human life.
If you're not sharing what you think we should do... then why respond???
What the US has done in the past establishes a legal precedence.
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I did share what I thought we should do, you just didn't like the answer.
Since there is no past legal precedence covering what charge abortion would fall under, your question simply ask for assumptions to begin with, which is what I gave you. So this would actually have to start with a clean slate, a new law, meaning you could write in to 'grandfather' past 'abortions'.
If you want to rely purely on past legal precedence then obviously you would fall back on whatever the charges were back when abortion was illegal.
But then one would have to ask why you presented the question in the first place.
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12-20-2012, 04:23 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
Did Aquila ever get around to asking his question?
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12-20-2012, 05:32 PM
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Re: Interesting Logic Question:
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So, here's the problem. Essentially the position that advocates banning abortion supports the GOVERNMENT seizing a woman's body and FORCING her to give birth against her will.
While I hate abortion as much as the next guy... a woman's body is her body. A GOVERNMENT that can force a woman to give birth... can force a woman to abort.
Leave the choice in the hands of individual women. Not coming at this as a "liberal". I'm coming at this as more of a Libertarian.
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The government didn't "force" the woman to lay down and conceive. Therefore the government isn't forcing anyone to choose anything. They still have the right to choose, they can choose to get pregnant or not.
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