UPCI Affirmation Statement - Page 12

Esaias · #**111** 06-13-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Anywaysssssssss, that didn't answer my question about how you can hand down a dress code saying it is NOT a heaven or hell issue. How can you say either way your salvation is not based on this, BUT if you DON'T dress this way, you are not part of the church?

Does anyone know how to explain this?

Sure! These organisations and movements are not actually churches, they are state incorporated 501(c)3 businesses masquerading as 'non profit' entities while telling the gullible public they are 'churches'. Furthermore, they are run by people who are either frauds using religion as a means of making money and carrying out their personal control fantasies, or they are run by false teachers and false prophets who are delusional and following seducing spirits and teachings of devils, or they are run by 'well meaning' but biblically illiterate and thus unqualified self-appointed 'elders' and 'leaders' perpetuating false doctrines and manmade traditions.

Pressing-On · #**112** 06-13-2013, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Sure! These organisations and movements are not actually churches, they are state incorporated 501(c)3 businesses masquerading as 'non profit' entities while telling the gullible public they are 'churches'. Furthermore, they are run by people who are either frauds using religion as a means of making money and carrying out their personal control fantasies, or they are run by false teachers and false prophets who are delusional and following seducing spirits and teachings of devils, or they are run by 'well meaning' but biblically illiterate and thus unqualified self-appointed 'elders' and 'leaders' perpetuating false doctrines and manmade traditions.

Wow, that was intense.

Going to bed after the Spurs loss.

RandyWayne · #**113** 06-13-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Sure! These organisations and movements are not actually churches, they are state incorporated 501(c)3 businesses masquerading as 'non profit' entities while telling the gullible public they are 'churches'. Furthermore, they are run by people who are either frauds using religion as a means of making money and carrying out their personal control fantasies, or they are run by false teachers and false prophets who are delusional and following seducing spirits and teachings of devils, or they are run by 'well meaning' but biblically illiterate and thus unqualified self-appointed 'elders' and 'leaders' perpetuating false doctrines and manmade traditions.

But, I thought these were "God's anointed!"?

When anyone pulls that card I feel like the old woman from The Holy Grail who said to King Arthur "Well, I didn't vote for you!".

Esaias · #**114** 06-14-2013, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Wow, that was intense.

Going to bed after the Spurs loss.

Sports is of the debbil, sis.

Don't say I didn't warn ya.

Pressing-On · #**115** 06-14-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Sports is of the debbil, sis.

Don't say I didn't warn ya.

Really? And I thought it might be the Tequila shots and the Cuban cigars!

Game One of the Stanley Cup between the Blackhawks and Bruins drew 6.358 million viewers! Game two manana!

Praxeas · #**116** 06-14-2013, 12:57 PM

So what are they supposed to affirm exactly? Seems like one can sign the agreement with a opt out clause

houston · #**117** 06-14-2013, 01:03 PM

"I (Minister's name), do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International. I also believe and embrace the holiness standards of the United Pentecostal Church International as set forth in said Articles of Faith, and I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same.

Praxeas · #**118** 06-14-2013, 03:28 PM

What are these articles? What are the standards?

Esther · #**119** 06-14-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'd like to know why they force people to follow the standards when they say it is NOT a heaven or hell issue? What could be more important than a heaven or hell issue? That has always been confusing, although when I first got in church, they said that it WAS a heaven or hell issue.

I think it is the same as some companies, that require dress requirements for their employees because that is how they want the public to see them.

I think to a certain degree this church is the same way. Back in the day it was taught as H and H issues, but as people became more educated and studies the scriptures themselves, they found errors in the teachings.

Nothing wrong with wanting to have a certain degree of conformity as long as it is reasonable. IMO

Pressing-On · #**120** 06-14-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think it is the same as some companies, that require dress requirements for their employees because that is how they want the public to see them.

I think to a certain degree this church is the same way. Back in the day it was taught as H and H issues, but as people became more educated and studies the scriptures themselves, they found errors in the teachings.

Nothing wrong with wanting to have a certain degree of conformity as long as it is reasonable. IMO

Thank you, Esther. This is the best response I have received and I, wholeheartedly, agree with you!