If you have to wear make-up to be accepted.... - Page 30

ILG · #**291** 07-26-2014, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sis, you can't use only verse 1 of Matthew 7. Because if you do you do harm to the true intent of what Jesus' is trying to say with the verse first.

Well, EB. Sorry but you speak to me as if I hadn't been in OP for 19 years, like I never heard this before! LOL!

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One thing in Churchanity that really gets things jacked up is that people take verses and abbreviate them to only use the portion which suits their doctrine or argument. By doing this they loose the whole meaning of what the writer was trying to convey to his audience. If the church couldn't make a judgement the apostle couldn't of ever made a judgement concerning the man who was sleeping with his father's wife, that the man be put out of the church. Oh, there is another rule! In the church you couldn't sleep with your father's wife.

In OPism verses are elongated instead.

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I think I mentioned the Pew report? They don't gather their statistics from One God Apostolic movement, they gather their research from the mainstream of Christendom. Yet, I believe I mentioned that you have rotten examples in every denomination. Why still focus on zits when you have good content within the person?

When a church constantly brags about how much better it is than other churches and then has no better and sometimes worse stats and then complains that they are only human when those stats are pointed out, there is a problem somewhere, brother!!

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The best examples shows how the religion should be practiced if one is a true devotee. If someone is researching Islam, you want to find those who best portray the the model of the follower of Islam. So, may I ask you, have you ever seen the best example of the conservative Apostolic movement?

Yes. There are some wonderful people out there, but I could not stay because I was subjected firsthand to the confusion and fear that was placed in me when principles were made into man-made "salvational" standards. This causes a skewed view and and unjust balance. If those who held such standards had them as personal convictions only and did not make them salvational, that would be different. But somehow one seems impossible without the other.

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To say the rules aren't making Pentecost better is like walking into the kitchen while the family is having breakfast seeing milk spilled on the floor and blaming everyone sitting at the table for the spillage. There are people who are seated quietly eating who don't have a clue as to what your talking about because they don't spill milk, especially the milk you are speaking about.

Yet someone spilled the milk and everyone at the table is not only saying they didn't do it, but denying that there is in fact spilled milk on the floor when I just slipped on it and cracked my head. Some are clueless and some are lying.

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I know people, and you have to know people who are conservative standard adhering Apostolic One God Pennycostals who are the best examples of Christians you have ever seen.

Yes but they also unwittingly put people in fear and weight things unjustly, not on purpose but because the system teaches them this.

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Therefore since these people do exist we can't say they aren't being helped by their religion. Obviously they are being helped, and even generations of them.

Yes and that is fine. But they should not look over to their brethren and cast stones.

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Sorry, but while the leaves may have fallen, the tree still stands.

As does mine but in a different way.

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You can't babysit adults! I'm a minister, not the school principle. I don't make people kneel on books while holding out pencils and reciting the tower of Babel isn't a rocket, the tower of Babel isn't a rocket, the tower of Babel isn't a rocket. The rules come from the principles, the principles are the basis (or should be) of the rules. It is like this, people have to have their own convictions based on an understanding of the scriptures. They must be led by the power of God, and not the power of emotion, coercion, fear of the madding crowd. When someone has a real experience with the living God and His word they will be led into all truth, not just some.

If you wan to make rules and people want to follow them that is their and your prerogative. Just don't tell 14 year old Sally (or anyone else) she is in danger of hellfire for not following your rules that are not Bible, just your rules based on Bible principles.

Sasha · #**292** 07-26-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why would the lesson make it seem it was Oneness?

I'm afraid it would in mine.

I'm afraid it would in mine too.

votivesoul · #**293** 07-26-2014, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

VS: I don't have time today to respond to your post. However, in a nutshell it seems that your view of makeup is presented as a general matter of pride for women, and my view is presented that a woman wanting to look presentable can wear light makeup, and look presentable, and doesn't have to be a matter of pride.... anyway I guess you see things your way, and I see them mine. Must run... have a blessed day.

It's okay, Sis. I think we both have enough notches in our swords to call it a day. Nice sparring with you.

I hope your iron has been sharpened as much as mine has been.

Peace and God bless.

Jason B · #**294** 07-26-2014, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It is also sad that little children have the power to turn on computers and annoy adults having a conversation. Go to another thread if this one isn't up to your level of piety. Please do us all a favor and do what you are wanting others to do, and please lead by example. Go out there are save the world from suffering and stop them from going to hell. One minute you're One God, and the next you are Trinitarian (or whatever) then next minute you don't give tithes and the other minute you are walking around with an orange UNICEF box. So, please do me a favor and go slay some windmills for Christ.

Hello Bro. Benincasa.

Instead of answering all your kind words please allow me just to clarify some things so that when you want to attack me you at least have your facts straight.

1)I still hold to a oneness theology and baptize in Jesus name. I don't believe trinitarians are lost, but I'm not one.

2)I've held the same position on tithing for approximately the last 12+ years.

3)I continue to be active in church ministry, jail ministry, and the teaching if private Bible studies. I also work a secular job which allows for opportunities to share the Gospel. I'm sure I fail to share the gospel as I ought, but at least when I share the gospel the message is Christ crucified, not thou shalt not wear fingernail polish.

So while I'm sure you're love for me has turned cold just as is typical for conservative oneness Pentecostals towards those they see as more liberal, your attempt at character assassination fails miserably.

Jason B · #**295** 07-26-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is a place where ideas, trivial or not, controversial or otherwise, can be presented, talked about, challenged, dismissed, argued over, and debated.

But it does not follow (i.e. it's a non-sequitur) that just because some OP folks want to use this board for its intended purpose, that OP folks don't care and/or aren't doing anything about the suffering in the world or people going to hell.

My point wasn't that this is discussed here, obviously standards threads are the bread and butter of AFF. My point was in regard to the general over emphasis oneness Pentecostals put on these issues.

What percentage of baptized saints sitting on oneness pews for between 1 and 5 years knows all about how a man and woman "ought" to dress? 80%, probably 90% or more?

What percentage of the same group can explain substitionary atonement, justification by faith, and substitionary atonement? 25%? 10%?

Generally speaking, conservative
OPs spend all their time arguing about dress codes and little time on the core gospel message.

Just my observation and 10+ years personal experience.

Evang.Benincasa · #**296** 07-26-2014, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So while I'm sure you're love for me has turned cold just as is typical for conservative oneness Pentecostals towards those they see as more liberal, your attempt at character assassination fails miserably.

Evang.Benincasa · #**297** 07-26-2014, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is a place where ideas, trivial or not, controversial or otherwise, can be presented, talked about, challenged, dismissed, argued over, and debated.

But it does not follow (i.e. it's a non-sequitur) that just because some OP folks want to use this board for its intended purpose, that OP folks don't care and/or aren't doing anything about the suffering in the world or people going to hell.

I still think you said it way better.