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Old 08-26-2014, 06:46 PM
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Re: Social drinking?

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Paul taught to not drink wine in excess, that's apostolic!!!
In excess...Amen!

Drinking wine was very common then. Everyone drank wine. They cut it with water.

A Person had to drink a lot of it or drink it without cutting it.

I've known most of my life people who drink a glass of wine with dinner and never get drunk.

It's also very cultural based. Here in America we were influenced by the Puritans, but Orthodox Jews drink wine

http://www.chabad.org/library/articl...onsumption.htm
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Old 08-26-2014, 06:54 PM
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A bottle of wine does nothing to me.

I can take 3 shots of whiskey and be fine.

Everyone's tolerance is different.
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BTW, I don't drink. Not often.
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Re: Social drinking?

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Doesn't say it's a sin to drink wine. A little drink is not a little sin. That's catholic teaching that there are little sins and big sins.

You are changing the topic again. We are not discussing lust
Drinking and eating to drunkenness is sinful. The Bible doesn't come against fermentation because fermentation was a process that their crushed grapes went through. The Middle East fermentation was done to their vegatables which is called Hamutzim. Also yogurts, and fermented milks like Kefir. The Passover wine was fermented. The Roman soldiers drank a cheap wine which is called vinegar.
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Re: Social drinking?

Oh I forgot my favorite one the Turkish Ayran which is a fermented yogurt drink. It goes great with my other favorite Lahmacun! Lahmacun is like a Turkish pizza.

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Re: Social drinking?

--It's a terrible idea because we are so excessive by nature. I think that it sets a bad example for our children, for our family, for our friends and for the secular community. It is a stumbling block for many and a weakness for others. Being considerate and conscientious would generally seem to preclude social drinking. Unlike food, alcohol isn't a necessity, and since it's abuse is so common, eliminating it completely is often easier than trying to exercise restraint and drink in moderation.

--I suppose whether it's a sin or not depends on how you define "drunkenness." Is it just a "buzz" or falling down drunk? The elements of not allowing yourself to brought under the influence of a substance, and honoring God's temple both come into play here.

--The fact that Jesus turned the water into wine doesn't negate the other NT scriptures that condemn drunkenness as a sin. Proverbs 31 also brings into serious question the wisdom of drinking at all, lest one forget God's laws and forget how to exercise their good judgment.

--I don't believe the problem is alcohol itself as a substance, so I don't have any issue with medicines that contain alcohol or with using alcohol in cooking. The problem is imbibing and becoming intoxicated. However, if a person has a weakness for alcohol, they shouldn't have it in their home at all.

For some of the reasons above, I would have less of an issue with a person having a glass of wine at dinner at home alone than I would with "social drinking." If you feel you have the liberty to drink in moderation, at the very least choose to exercise your liberty in a way that doesn't lead others into sin (drunkenness/excess), or offend your fellow Christians. Personally, I see it as risky business.

Disclaimer: I do not believe it's wrong to take wine for communion. It's always a very small amount, there is little or no chance that anyone is going to drink enough to even become slightly intoxicated, and some people feel that it is the more "pure" way to emulate the Biblical communion ceremony. Because of the setting and obvious boundaries, I don't see what possible issues could arise, with the exception of someone being offended by the use of wine. Depending on the depth of their feelings, they could be offered grape juice instead, or the whole church can choose to use grape juice out of deference to someone who is of a weak conscience.
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Oh I forgot my favorite one the Turkish Ayran which is a fermented yogurt drink. It goes great with my other favorite Lahmacun! Lahmacun is like a Turkish pizza.
Brother, were you just typing in tongues? J/k
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Why didn't Paul have those concerns about wine?
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Re: Social drinking?

I wonder how many Orthodox Jews are alcoholics
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Wine didn't Paul have those concerns about wine?
huh?
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