No one is pleased with the fate of the wicked, not even God Himself. Do they deserve it? Hey, life choices, and your life choices were your own. If you left them up to guess work, well let me just say that wasn't a good choice.
Your comment: "You see Timmy, that's how YOU believed (might still do) how there are those who 'deserve it.'" From that, I inferred that you don't believe they deserve their eternal punishment. No, I'm not sure, as you don't like to give clear answers to simple questions, but it seems that you do?
Calling them wicked helps, I suppose. People like me, who don't believe what you do and so will burn in hell forever. Wicked ol' me.
SMH.
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That's your opinion.
Yes it is.
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But of course, that's what the Bible says Timmy.
Does every Christian have the sound mind they are promised? The peace? The joy?
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I believe that God is doing His job, and we need to do our job. Teaching doesn't mean everyone gets it at the same time, or at the same pace. While I think CJ's teachings are off, and he believes what I believe is some adopted teaching from 325 A.D.. God is trying to lead, according of our proportion of desire for Him. This will either propel CJ and I forward or keep us where we are. You on the other hand made up your mind (for now) to dis God,
I have never dissed God.
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and make yourself the master of your reality.
You are the master of yours, also. Dispute that, if you can.
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We who believe in Jesus, CJ and myself are Neanderthals, and you are the pioneer of a brave new world. You are wise in your own eyes, more than happy to be thrown into the flames to be purged until you say UNCLE, (CJ's belief) to enter into eternal bliss, or be tormented day and night forever and ever (what I believe) because of your OWN choosing. Again, we all have free will, and you need to use it properly.
I am not happy to be thrown into flames. I won't be. Nobody will. There is no reason to believe that your myth is true, any more than any other religious imaginings are true. None.
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Yet, be it purging through flames, or torments, these matters are nothing more than mythologies to you, being spouted by religious midgets on a forum. Yet, we all die Timmy, so when we die, then all will be proven, whether they were right or wrong.
Do you hope you are right and I'm wrong? My prediction is that when we die, we are just dead. We are no longer, just as we didn't exist before we were born (or conceived, if you prefer). But your prediction is that I will suffer forever, and you will be happy forever. Is that your preference?
Do you really want it to end up as you think God designed it?
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Hypothetical guy who reads a religious book for 50 years becomes hypothetically enlightened then sees things differently?
No sincerity in finding God, then you are sincerely following something which isn't God.
You know a lot of things that you can't possibly know. Like my sincerity. But sure, since I have arrived at a different conclusion than you, I can't be sincere.
Arrogant much?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Kinda. Thought I was supposed to. Always thought it was weird. Now, it's more than just weird: it's ridiculous.
Everyone who ever lived deserves to die and to burn forever, for their sins. And they can't not sin. And their Designer has no liability in this. No, it's all our fault.
Absurd.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
It is not what you believe, it is what God decides.
pedophiles believe it is OK to have sex with children, there is even an organization of pedophiles, trying to defend their rights and advance the legalization of sex with minors.
God decides on what people deserve or not, you are not the judge of all the earth. you will not make a decision even about your own eternal destiny.
calling people monsters for their beliefs does not change the truth or falsehood of a doctrine.
Can we not each have an opinion on that doctrine? You might think it's wonderful. I don't.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Kinda. Thought I was supposed to. Always thought it was weird. Now, it's more than just weird: it's ridiculous.
Everyone who ever lived deserves to die and to burn forever, for their sins. And they can't not sin. And their Designer has no liability in this. No, it's all our fault.
Absurd.
To a person who is deluded the things of God are Absurd.
I know, for I came from unbelief to belief.
as you well know I was not a Christian, I did not know the Bible or God.
The things of God appeared to me not only absurd, but also silly.
I came from where you are at now.
What is really sad is that you were actually raised in the truth.
but because Tim received not the love of the truth, that he might be saved. And for this cause God shall send him a strong delusion, that Tim should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It is self-delusion, and it is a sad state of affairs when this has been reached, for the self-delusion is self-reinforcing. The more you continue in unbelief the more your unbelief hardens.
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**Original Matthew 28:19 Restored**
OK Timmy... how would YOU like God to communicate to human beings? What would be the preferred method of communication that you would like to see between God and humanity? What would it take for you to believe that God had indeed spoken?
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I don't think God has communicated with us. If he were to see a need for that, it would have been a better method. Implanting the message into everyone's head, for example. (No, he hasn't done that. Don't even.)
If you hear a voice, you cannot know if it was God or a delusion or a trick by someone else. You cannot. Oh, you think you can know? Well, so do lots of others who have experienced this. Some of those people have killed people on God's orders. Were they right? (Some of those cases are recorded in the Bible. Some in modern day news reports.)
So basically you are saying that the God that created this universe, and gave each human a soul along with ability to reason, that same God was not able to design a way to communicate with His creation?
Um. Ok. It is all in what you are choosing to believe, which is rather... unbelievable.
To a person who is deluded the things of God are Absurd.
I know, for I came from unbelief to belief.
as you well know I was not a Christian, I did not know the Bible or God.
The things of God appeared to me not only absurd, but also silly.
I came from where you are at now.
What is really sad is that you were actually raised in the truth.
but because Tim received not the love of the truth, that he might be saved. And for this cause God shall send him a strong delusion, that Tim should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
It is self-delusion, and it is a sad state of affairs when this has been reached, for the self-delusion is self-reinforcing. The more you continue in unbelief the more your unbelief hardens.
Back atcha!
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
So basically you are saying that the God that created this universe, and gave each human a soul along with ability to reason, that same God was not able to design a way to communicate with His creation?
Um. Ok. It is all in what you are choosing to believe, which is rather... unbelievable.
I'm not saying he wasn't able. I'm saying he didn't. And that if he did, it would have been better than the methods that some claim he used.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
WANT TO COMMENT, WANT TO REPLY but ALAS, I shall keep my opinions to meownself!
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Apostolic is an understanding that God has finally and completely revealed Himself to all mankind through His incarnation as Jesus Christ. He has revealed to all a way of life, love and forgiveness that leads to a right relationship with Him and with each other.
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