Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So you say...

LOL..........My curiosity has been engaged.

Why this question and why this assumption? Is it common? To be bashed by your "ex's"? Why?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Still not answering us. Why did you think it was necessary for you to come here since you thought we bashed Islam? What do you purpose to do as a result? If you are ex-upc that speaks volumes. Are you?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...?t=3722&page=2

My first post. What do you think? That I came here to "bash the UPC?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Still not answering us. Why did you think it was necessary for you to come here since you thought we bashed Islam? What do you purpose to do as a result? If you are ex-upc that speaks volumes. Are you?

Brother Blume, if the guy is a lying about being Muslim, why we would expect him to be truthful about anything else? Maybe Sean has two accounts?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

I know not believe that this was an acceptable practice when Jesus was on the earth and it was an acceptable practice in the 8th century. Your ire will not change what was or was not acceptable throughout history.

I know not believe? Huh?

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Still missing: That pesky verse, teaching, church law, or anything else to support your view of this 8th century sin. Do you often declare sin which is not in the bible?

Oh, you stopped reading my posts? That's nice.

Bottom line is this, you believe that 53 year old men can marry 6 year old girls, and consummate the marriage when she is nine.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

LOL..........My curiosity has been engaged.

Why this question and why this assumption? Is it common? To be bashed by your "ex's"? Why?

Why? Probably the same reason you do it.

My thoughts on dragging out and through the past is that a person hasn't really grasped the reality of Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

IMO, a person is, in effect, pointing fingers at God instead of reflecting on what has caused us to be strong in the power of His might, taken fear out of our hearts, given us maturity and wisdom - simply trials.

"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:" I Peter 1:7

Being an anti-UPC basher shows weakness. If a person has been made strong by their decision to leave, they would leave it all alone and keep walking.

"Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy. For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. So let it grow, for when your endurance is fully developed, you will be perfect and complete, needing nothing." James 1:1-4 (NLT)

[Evang.Benincasa]

Walks in Islam is a Muslim? Yet is surprised about people leaving religions? Who then turn around to come against the religion they were once involved with? That is like being surprised a marriage ended up in divorce and the couple now hates each other. In Walks' version of Islam, no one leaves, and no one converts to other religions, or becomes Atheists or Agnostic? No one ever left his Islam to turn around and bash it?

How long have you been a Muslim?

Did you grow up Muslim?

How large is your masjid?

[TJJJ]

Ol' walks is our closet Christian!! He is just making sure that just in case the Moslems take over the world he is okay but then he can claim when the Christians win the Holy War that he was on their side all along!

He got Baptized in private in Jesus name, but wears a robe and doesn't eat bacon...

Gotta have insurance in this day and age!

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Why? Probably the same reason you do it.

My thoughts on dragging out and through the past is that a person hasn't really grasped the reality of Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

IMO, a person is, in effect, pointing fingers at God instead of reflecting on what has caused us to be strong in the power of His might, taken fear out of our hearts, given us maturity and wisdom - simply trials.

"That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:" I Peter 1:7

Being an anti-UPC basher shows weakness. If a person has been made strong by their decision to leave, they would leave it all alone and keep walking.

"Dear brothers and sisters, when troubles come your way, consider it an opportunity for great joy. For you know that when your faith is tested, your endurance has a chance to grow. So let it grow, for when your endurance is fully developed, you will be perfect and complete, needing nothing." James 1:1-4 (NLT)

You are right about one thing. This forum, and the people who bash Islam on this forum, are not doing this out of a position of strength or power. You can quote verses about trial and strength and power all you want, but at the end of the day this thread and other threads that I have participated in on this board is about you and your fear and weakness.

Were you to stop bashing Islam, and stop bashing my beliefs there would be no need for me to be on this board. I have little concern about the other nonsense you discuss among yourselves. When and while you do continue to use your time and this board you fairly earn my right to bash you right back. This is what my participation on this thread and on this board is about.

Hope that clears.

I am guilty of trying to build a bridge, by highlighting similarities between us. You and your colleagues answer to this was by highlighting bad things

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I know not believe? Huh?




Oh, you stopped reading my posts? That's nice.

Bottom line is this, you believe that 53 year old men can marry 6 year old girls, and consummate the marriage when she is nine.

You must have missed our earlier discussion about marriage law at the time of Jesus.

Yes. I believe that in the 7th and 8th century it was religiously and historically acceptable for a 53 year old man to arrange a marriage with a 6 year old girl and consummate that marriage when she was nine.

At the time this was the position of the church (the only church) 400 years AFTER this horrible sin:

In the 12th century, the jurist Gratian, an influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted the age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14, but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7.

There were authorities with a claim that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds

Were you going to dig through history and find that elusive verse or teaching that declares otherwise? The bible is silent on this.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are right about one thing. This forum, and the people who bash Islam on this forum, are not doing this out of a position of strength or power. You can quote verses about trial and strength and power all you want, but at the end of the day this thread and other threads that I have participated in on this board is about you and your fear and weakness.

Were you to stop bashing Islam, and stop bashing my beliefs there would be no need for me to be on this board. I have little concern about the other nonsense you discuss among yourselves. When and while you do continue to use your time and this board you fairly earn my right to bash you right back. This is what my participation on this thread and on this board is about.

Hope that clears.

I am guilty of trying to build a bridge, by highlighting similarities between us. You and your colleagues answer to this was by highlighting bad things

There is no bridge that can be built between truth and untruth. You don't have the truth.