Love One Another and the Cross

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Originally Posted by Esaias

We talked about this in service today. Long story short, going about to establish one's own righteousness is an affront to God. We must submit to the righteousness of God. And that is Christ. Trying to 'boast in our good works' as a basis for righteousness actually places us under condemnation. Our 'good works' condemn us, because they are like menstrual cloths in the sight of God.

By building our own righteousness, we literally make God out to be a debtor to us, as if God owes it to us to recognise our righteousness. And so, trying to build our own righteousness, we really just build our bed in hell.

Amen. That is spiritual food to grow by!

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Jesus is bread of heaven. When asked what work they must do, the people were told by Jesus the work is to BELIEVE. They weren't believing. They asked for signs, but faith is evidence of things not seen. And He said belief is like eating his flesh and drinking his blood. It gives eternal life. Not works of fleshly labour. But it is belief! And that hives all the praise to GOD who did the fleshly work of Christ's death on the the cross, and not praise to us for fleshly works to earn righteousness.

These folks are trying to bypass the cross to accommodate everyone! But that makes them thieves and robbers going into the sheepfold a different way than through the door, Christ. THROUGH, like a door, Christ.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

God is too holy for mankind to approach outside of Jesus.

But when we were born again, we received Jesus' actual holiness and the blood made us draw nigh to God.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Notice how the point of the cross is the whole basis for our chance to approach and be close to God. Not works nor good deeds, nor even loving people. These come AFTER one is brought close by the blood.

The cross is the core of everything. And by cross the bible means His death in our places.

hey, a big amen; if that leads you to love God and your neighbor. But verse 14 will tell you that if you are led to "They are all lost," you are led astray.

14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Hebrews 10:22...
We try working good works of love to get to God and we'll journey to hell. That's not the place for good works. They are AFTER we come to God by the blood.

hey, plenty of ways to get to hell. Cry "Lord, Lord" and see if that works for salvation. Works will not save you. And faith without works is dead. If you are crying "Lord, Lord," and "only we have Jesus," in the same breath as "They are lost, who do not believe as we do," you are a hypocrite who is not judging by the fruit, and you are seeking division, like most everyone else.

You will meet strangers with fear. And not just Muslims. Fear will come out of your pores, and be evident in your posts. In the same way that you represent that your are fundamental, yet you have abandoned what was sufficient for them is how you believe Christ. Service with the lips. And you betray your position whenever you talk, so just keep talking, and it will become obvious again here in a minute.

This is what religion does. Satan needed some means to interfere with salvation; he needed to establish a stronghold, a kingdom, that claims to be the way to Christ. All it takes is for a group of guys to get together, and start codifying some rules and standards. Make an Establishment. Put up a Keep Out sign, basically, disguised as a Come On In sign. It is the Holy Spirit that will keep out.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Paul said it's not of works lest any man boast.

We would look ourselves and boast if it was by our good works we get saved. But it's by the blood, so Paul said he gloried in the cross of Christ. GOD did the work.

Do you glory in God's work or boast of your own?

your record is broken, and you are stuck on Paul, and salvation by works. Quote Christ for the next year and maybe i will hear you. Please bring any quotes by Christ here, so we can talk. Gotta run.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

We talked about this in service today. Long story short, going about to establish one's own righteousness is an affront to God. We must submit to the righteousness of God. And that is Christ. Trying to 'boast in our good works' as a basis for righteousness actually places us under condemnation. Our 'good works' condemn us, because they are like menstrual cloths in the sight of God.

By building our own righteousness, we literally make God out to be a debtor to us, as if God owes it to us to recognise our righteousness. And so, trying to build our own righteousness, we really just build our bed in hell.

More Salvation by Works, when it was admitted at the outset that that will condemn one. You have found a way to justify condemning everyone who does not talk like you do, making them all "lost," like pretty much every religion on the planet does. Crying "Lord, Lord" is sufficient for salvation, according to this.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. That is spiritual food to grow by!

And yet you are dead, and even dress like you are at a funeral. You have become a lawyer, and have all of the proof, and none of the heart, when you decide that everyone must come to Christ through you, or be damned.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Jesus is bread of heaven. When asked what work they must do, the people were told by Jesus the work is to BELIEVE. They weren't believing. They asked for signs, but faith is evidence of things not seen. And He said belief is like eating his flesh and drinking his blood. It gives eternal life. Not works of fleshly labour. But it is belief! And that hives all the praise to GOD who did the fleshly work of Christ's death on the the cross, and not praise to us for fleshly works to earn righteousness.

These folks are trying to bypass the cross to accommodate everyone! But that makes them thieves and robbers going into the sheepfold a different way than through the door, Christ. THROUGH, like a door, Christ.

I am by no means suggesting salvation for those whose hearts have not changed. Obviously, anyone who declares All Muslims Are Lost sounds just like my next door neighbor--or the KKK, or most any politician. How are you any different? Because you have found some Scripture to "prove" your position? Drone-bombers do the same thing, and will tell you as much on this same forum. Heil.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

hey, a big amen; if that leads you to love God and your neighbor. But verse 14 will tell you that if you are led to "They are all lost," you are led astray.

14For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

Of course it leads to love God and man. It's the only way that leads there, too. You speak as though it is optional. You say go the route of Acts 2:38 if it leads you to love God and man, as if Acts 2:38 is an option. You quote scriptures that allegedly proves Jesus is not God. You hear moslems say Christians are lost and think nothing of it, but when Christians say moslems are lost you flip your wig. You say Moslems say Christ is a great messenger when satan doesn't mind anyone thinking that so long as they don't accept Him as Son of God which is the real deal toward salvation. You say anything to avoid the all importance of the cross. Like the cross is a huge stumblingstone. If you speak of the cross it is OUR crosses we bear and not HIS. When you refer to charity covering many sins, it is the one committing the chairty who is saving himself by works toward others, and not the sins of the one to whom charity is shown. All in efforts top avoid the cross. That pesky old stumblingstone known as the cross. To those who do not believe, by try by works, he is an offence. But to those who believe He is precious.

You focus on what we as people can know and not know when it comes to who is saved, by repeating your mantra that we simply group with those who SPEAK the same SPEAK we SPEAK, as if that is the truth of what we're saying, when all we focus on is BELIEF BELIEF BELIEF.... which is a heart function, not a mouth function. This BELIEF thing is the singlemost huge rock of offence there really is. And it is all to pat self on the back by saying MY WORKS REALLY DO SAVE ME. For, if the cross saves us, then my works are worth squat. So we cannot have the message of the blood and sacrifice of Christ. We cannot say He is Son of God.

ANd the big excuse is the ostrich's head in the sand that refuses to hear us when we say love to God and man is absolutely vital, BUT IT DOES NOT Ave. It's EASIER TO WADE IN THE DARKNESS OF unbelief and continue to say it is hatred to tell people they're lost, when in reality it's just repeating the command of Jesus to preach repentance in His name.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

I am by no means suggesting salvation for those whose hearts have not changed. Obviously, anyone who declares All Muslims Are Lost sounds just like my next door neighbor--or the KKK, or most any politician. How are you any different? Because you have found some Scripture to "prove" your position? Drone-bombers do the same thing, and will tell you as much on this same forum. Heil.

You can't grasp simple basic salvation and what God says. Circles.