Dialogue with a Muslim

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i don't care what Islam teaches, i am a Christian, and obviously Christians do not even agree that Christ is God. If you wrote the Qur'an during the Crusades, you would no doubt have issues at "Son of God," too. You are insisting on verbal agreement, because that is how OPs decide whether people are saved or not; they give lip-service. I did it for years. Many will cry Lord, Lord--it is so much easier than changing one's mind.

Nephilim = obfuscate, if you like. I know what you mean by "Son of God," of course, and i am even comfortable with it, but that does not mean that i require everyone else to chant it the same way, and Scripture does not, either. If you think that all Muslims are lost, it is because you are lost, and seeking to justify how you are saved, to make yourself feel better, and you can keep pretending that "I came that you might have life, more abundantly" really means "i can't wait to die, and go to heaven" even though you go to extreme lengths to avoid actual death, being scared to death of it, because you are dead already, which is why you say all of the same things my beer-swilling next door neighbor says, and dwell on all the same things he dwells on.

If you had something to say, you could have come and bailed Mike out at any one of the several points where he was tripping all over himself, in "Love one another," with all due respect. If you like, you are invited to go and review where he could not answer--they are pretty obvious--and answer yourself. Of course you have to go back a few pages, because the less he had to say, the longer he took to say it. If you have any problems, let me know. Otherwise i am done here, good night.

I never avoided anything. You just went in rabbit trails all around the issue of what saves. And when I say I'll answer anything I missed, not avoided, you bail.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Muslims admit that Christ came in the flesh, and generally do a better job representing him than Christians, in my experience. Sad to say.

Of course. You don't believe they even have to know he was crucified.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

How would someone who demonstrates that they are a hypocrite, and regularly quotes Scripture like satan does, cutting off the relevant portions, be able to tell anyone what saves?

Cutting off relevant parts? And this from a guy who thinks Muslims don't need to believe Jesus so much as was crucified and is Son of God. Talk about cutting out relevant parts! I've never seen such genuine antichrist statements on a forum in my life.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Muslims admit that Christ came in the flesh, and generally do a better job representing him than Christians, in my experience. Sad to say.

Muslims deny Jesus is the Son of God
Muslims deny Jesus died on the cross
Muslims deny the atonement
Muslims deny Jesus is the Way to God
Muslims deny Jesus is Lord.

Muslims deny what the bible clearly says about him.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i don't care what Islam teaches,

We are discussing what Islam teaches. You never should have entered in if you don't care and can't face facts

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i don't care what Islam teaches, i am a Christian, and obviously Christians do not even agree that Christ is God. If you wrote the Qur'an during the Crusades, you would no doubt have issues at "Son of God," too.

the Quran predates the Crusades. BTW

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Originally Posted by shazeep

You are insisting on verbal agreement, because that is how OPs decide whether people are saved or not; they give lip-service. I did it for years..

All I did was point out what Islam believes.

BTW Muslims deny we are saved and MANY view us as dogs or worse, NOT because of the crusades but because the Quran teaches Christians and Jews are Kafirs

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Originally Posted by shazeep

Nephilim = obfuscate, if you like. I know what you mean by "Son of God," of course, and i am even comfortable with it, but that does not mean that i require everyone else to chant it the same way, and Scripture does not, either.

If you think that all Muslims are lost, it is because you are lost, and seeking to justify how you are saved, to make yourself feel better, and you can keep pretending that "I came that you might have life, more abundantly" really means "i can't wait to die, and go to heaven" even though you go to extreme lengths to avoid actual death, being scared to death of it, because you are dead already, which is why you say all of the same things my beer-swilling next door neighbor says, and dwell on all the same things he dwells on.

All I did was point out what Islam teaches and what the bible teaches and look at how you react....

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1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar except the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This person is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.

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Joh 20:31 but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.