you managed to get in here and out before i had finished editing; i think there is more @ "core issues." But we need some fresh perspective, possibly, @ "agape," although you may further reveal your position there by replying to "core issues" if you like.
my meaning @ "it's you" is that your views reflect upon you, not them, just to clarify.
Ok. You didn't quote me when you responded to what I said. And because you did not explain in this post what "@ it's you" referred to, and said elsewhere that you answered my questions about how you excuse catholics and muslims for saying everyone outside their faith is lost, I finally pieced together that your words above referred to that.
It's hard to follow you when you do not quote what you are referring to. I see this has happened a lot now that I recognized it.
Anyway, .... what? My views reflect on me, not them. What has that got to do with excusing "them" for saying the same thing you do not excuse me for saying? I cannot see it as anything other than obvious bias.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
you managed to get in here and out before i had finished editing; i think there is more @ "core issues." But we need some fresh perspective, possibly, @ "agape," although you may further reveal your position there by replying to "core issues" if you like.
Agapé love is noble and lofty. Really noble! But in and of itself it does not save. You and I have sin, as does everyone else on earth. And no amount of our agapé love can remit that sin.
Now, when GOD has AGAPE love, and HE sacrifices for us, THAT saves! One has to be sinless to have one's love save others.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
My views reflect on me, not them. What has that got to do with excusing "them" for saying the same thing you do not excuse me for saying? I cannot see it as anything other than obvious bias.
um, what? i did not excuse them (i just forgive them). i plainly stated that this view would condemn them if they held it. However, a poll of Catholics asking if "All other Christians are lost" would likely reveal a roughly 50/50 split among them also, the point being that there is no doubt at least one Catholic who does not hold that view, hence all Catholics may not be lost. (not that that would be the standard, though)
Agapé love is noble and lofty. Really noble! But in and of itself it does not save. You and I have sin, as does everyone else on earth. And no amount of our agapé love can remit that sin.
Now, when GOD has AGAPE love, and HE sacrifices for us, THAT saves! One has to be sinless to have one's love save others.
I extend the golden rule to muslims, catholics and anyone else who truly does to others what they want done to them.
then you are doing it wrong wadr, because that is not what the verse says to do.
So, to get to the core issues, you must show form the Word why fulfilling law equals salvation. Sin is not remitted by fulflling law, and the sin issue is not resolved by love.
sure it is. Confession and rebound (repentance) are acts of love, not legal maneuvers to get you out of jail, free. When you sin, who do you confess to? Whom do you ask for forgiveness?
pray tell how you might more completely involve the cross, then.
It's so much more simpler than what makes you ask that.
I'm sorry; could you rephrase this?
If one has no faith in anything one could do, and solely trusts God's efforts of the cross to remit sins and free us of the debt of sin, which is death, then that's it. Apply that the way the apostles taught people to apply it in Acts, and, voila! Done!
um, could you rephrase this also? because i am not getting it, sorry.
Agapé love is noble and lofty. Really noble! But in and of itself it does not save. You and I have sin, as does everyone else on earth. And no amount of our agapé love can remit that sin.
Now, when GOD has AGAPE love, and HE sacrifices for us, THAT saves! One has to be sinless to have one's love save others.
i am not suggesting that practicing agape...look, this is just too far from pick up your cross and follow Me for me to give a meaningful reply; perhaps someone else can reply in a manner more acceptable to you, ok?
Christ cannot be obscured with law except by saying the cross is PART of salvation, while our works complete salvation. Legalism is always and never will be anything other than salvation by works. Again, all theological stripes agree on that definition. All of them.
Yet faith without works is still dead, and i still prefer my understanding of legalism to yours, but ty.
Christ cannot be obscured with law except by saying the cross is PART of salvation, while our works complete salvation. Legalism is always and never will be anything other than salvation by works. Again, all theological stripes agree on that definition. All of them.
Yet faith without works is still dead, and i still prefer my understanding of legalism to yours, but ty.
so my Irony alert meter just went off... and the funny thing is any good catholic would say you are lost....
just saying....
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so maybe only what we might describe as "bad Catholics" might be saved then? Dunno, but Catholic "heretics" are a rich tradition imo. And i do not claim to be saved, perhaps they are right. could you clarify the irony? ty
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