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[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Paul said the bishops could not be a novice and the decons likewise must be proved. This takes time.

But it’s okay to preach? I kinda thought that was considered a leadership position.
I didn’t realize we were talking about deacons and bishops. I guess the pastor position is open to them then. There’s no scripture about pastors being proven OR being a novice.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Six months?

One year plus?

How about straightway?

This is referring to the Apostle Paul.


Acts 9

[20] And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Sounds more like six DAYS!

My friend in Acts 22:3 Paul was a trained minister. He went to Yeshiva (Hebrew for sitting). He was an advanced student of the Law, and the tradition of the elders Galatians 1:14. This already TRAINED minister set himself apart to ponder his revelation of Christ Galatians 1:16. His alone time was in Arabia, he didn't go to the apostles, he stayed alone, Galatians 1:17. THEN, AFTER 3 YEARS!!!!!! he went to acquaint himself with Peter Galatians 1:18. He later saw no other apostle but the Lord's brother, James lead elder in Jerusalem. He later went to Syria, and Cecilia and needed to acquaint himself with the church families in Judea Galatians 1:21. Galatians 1:22.

We need to take the Bible as a whole, not a fragmented mess.

These men were all trained in Rabbinical schools. Paul happens to have more training then all of the apostles 2 Peter 3:16. 1 Timothy 5:22 is talking about not commissioning just anyone to minister.

Also ministers were to be married and have a family. So everyone could gauge how he would manage his ministry 1 Timothy 3:5

8 months a year? Seems way longer to me

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness

Paul said the bishops could not be a novice and the decons likewise must be proved. This takes time.

You are 100% correct on Church Governance.

Also deacons has an a.

So we wouldn't appoint you to be over dictionaries.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

But it’s okay to preach? I kinda thought that was considered a leadership position.
I didn’t realize we were talking about deacons and bishops. I guess the pastor position is open to them then.

There’s no scripture about pastors being proven OR being a novice.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Post them if you gotem.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I understand what you are saying. Also I'm not talking about an evangelist getting the details on some individual saint's issues from the pastor.

Although I do notice Paul often dealt with local church issues based on information relayed to him from elders, ministers, or whoever. So it seems that both approaches are valid?

Yet, Paul was getting replies to letters we have never seen. These are churches in Asia Minor which he planted. Just like John and Diotrephes. John gets the heads up on his church work, as an elder, dealing with an elder who becomes a loose cannon. Church families were are already involved with we know the players, they are our family members. Paul personally intimately knows these people. Yet, when we are dealing as a visiting minister we know zero going in. This is someone else's family members, and we come in with trembling and much fear. To get a briefing on people we know nothing about, we just do an injustice to ourselves and the strangers sitting under other ministries. Jesus has to be directing us and telling us exactly wheat to speak. That way the pastor and elders know SUPER SURE, we had no way of knowing anything, so it had to come straight from the thorne and not from us. I want to be Sargent Schultz when I climb in another man's pulpit. If the anything is said, if feelings are hurt, or souls are refreshed, I don't want anyone to say that I was briefed before hand.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Post them if you gotem.

I just did.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

My friend in Acts 22:3 Paul was a trained minister. He went to Yeshiva (Hebrew for sitting). He was an advanced student of the Law, and the tradition of the elders Galatians 1:14. This already TRAINED minister set himself apart to ponder his revelation of Christ Galatians 1:16. His alone time was in Arabia, he didn't go to the apostles, he stayed alone, Galatians 1:17. THEN, AFTER 3 YEARS!!!!!! he went to acquaint himself with Peter Galatians 1:18. He later saw no other apostle but the Lord's brother, James lead elder in Jerusalem. He later went to Syria, and Cecilia and needed to acquaint himself with the church families in Judea Galatians 1:21. Galatians 1:22.

We need to take the Bible as a whole, not a fragmented mess.

These men were all trained in Rabbinical schools. Paul happens to have more training then all of the apostles 2 Peter 3:16. 1 Timothy 5:22 is talking about not commissioning just anyone to minister.

Also ministers were to be married and have a family. So everyone could gauge how he would manage his ministry 1 Timothy 3:5

8 months a year? Seems way longer to me

You are right that Paul was highly educated in Judaism. He was also persecuting and killing Christians. His training was not for Christian ministry. He was a novice at that, yet he went straightway . . .

And preached Christ in the synagogues, that he was the son of God.

He didn’t wait. He didn’t ask permission either, evidently.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You are right that Paul was highly educated in Judaism. He was also persecuting and killing Christians. His training was not for Christian ministry. He was a novice at that, yet he went straightway . . .

And preached Christ in the synagogues, that he was the son of God.

He didn’t wait. He didn’t ask permission either, evidently.

[Evang.Benincasa]

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