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[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How is the bolded not osas? Or is that what you believe?

Not doing any work to receive grace and mercy is not OSAS. OSAS is you cannot lose salvation no matter what sin you commit.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Not doing any work to receive grace and mercy is not OSAS. OSAS is you cannot lose salvation no matter what sin you commit.

Here is what I refer to.

I am thankful that His love, just like His grace and mercy isn't dependent on anything that I do or not do.

Jesus said his love IS dependent on something we do.

John 15:10

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus love is conditional.

Is grace dependent on anything we do?

James 4:6

6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

It seems that to receive grace there is something we must do.

So to believe or teach Gods love and grace is not dependent on anything we do would be overgeneralizing would it not?

And if it were true that his love and grace were in no way dependent on what we do then osas doctrine would obviously be true.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Here is what I refer to.



Jesus said his love IS dependent on something we do.

John 15:10

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus love is conditional.

Is grace dependent on anything we do?

James 4:6

6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

It seems that to receive grace there is something we must do.

So to believe or teach Gods love and grace is not dependent on anything we do would be overgeneralizing would it not?

And if it were true that his love and grace were in no way dependent on what we do then osas doctrine would obviously be true.

But what has that got to do with never losing salvation? People can believe what the original poster said, and not believe they cannot lose salvation.

"Abiding in his love" is indwelling that life in a life lived for Him by doing His will. ABIDING makes a difference. He did not stay RECEIVING HIS LOVE. He loved us when we were sinners, so there is nothing we did to get that love to begin with. Jesus was speaking about REMAINING in his love by serving Him.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus was talking like this...

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

[Michael The Disciple]

"Abiding in his love" is indwelling that life in a life lived for Him by doing His will. ABIDING makes a difference. He did not stay RECEIVING HIS LOVE. He loved us when we were sinners, so there is nothing we did to get that love to begin with. Jesus was speaking about REMAINING in his love by serving Him.

The simple point is that Jesus said his love for us is dependent on if we keep his commands. The poster inferred his love is NOT dependent on anything we do or dont.

As to his grace James taught us there IS something we can do to get grace. Humble ourselves.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The simple point is that Jesus said his love for us is dependent on if we keep his commands. The poster inferred his love is NOT dependent on anything we do or dont.

As to his grace James taught us there IS something we can do to get grace. Humble ourselves.

How did God love us when we were sinners if HIs love is dependent on keeping his commandments?

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How did God love us when we were sinners if HIs love is dependent on keeping his commandments?

Here is the quote I am questioning.

I am thankful that His love, just like His grace and mercy isn't dependent on anything that I do or not do.

The OP was apparently speaking from the perspective of one who is a Christian. God loves the sinner in a general sense. It is not expected they would have been keeping his word.

If the original post were speaking from that perspective it would be a different story. If I misunderstood and the original post was not intended for the saved but the lost I will simply leave the discussion.

But if they meant what it seems they meant how can you read John 15:10 and not understand what Jesus is saying? Or James 4:6 and not understand what James is saying?

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

How is the bolded not osas? Or is that what you believe?

God loves you based on merit? Then you will burn in hell. Selah.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Here is what I refer to.



Jesus said his love IS dependent on something we do.

John 15:10

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus love is conditional.

Is grace dependent on anything we do?

James 4:6

6But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

It seems that to receive grace there is something we must do.

So to believe or teach Gods love and grace is not dependent on anything we do would be overgeneralizing would it not?

And if it were true that his love and grace were in no way dependent on what we do then osas doctrine would obviously be true.

I read John 15:10 as OUR love is conditional. If we love Him, we will keep His Commandments.

After all, the Word says - “WHO shall separate us from the love of Christ?...Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

2 Timothy speaks further - “If WE believe not, yet HE abide faithful: HE cannot deny himself.”


It is nothing lacking in Him, it is what is lacking in us.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I read John 15:10 as OUR love is conditional. If we love Him, we will keep His Commandments.

After all, the Word says - “WHO shall separate us from the love of Christ?...Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

2 Timothy speaks further - “If WE believe not, yet HE abide faithful: HE cannot deny himself.”


It is nothing lacking in Him, it is what is lacking in us.

Preach!

I mean... Idk...

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by diakonos

God loves you based on merit? Then you will burn in hell. Selah.

Who said this? What does it mean?

John 15:10

10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.