I'll overlook your accusing me of lying...(or is there a difference in being dishonest and lying?)...as just more hyperbole and hydrophobia on your part.
So would it be logical to say: since you state that up to this point there is no one "on this forum that believes baptism is optional" and you are on AFF, that you do not believe that water baptism is optional? And if an antonym of "optional" is "compulsory", then you see water baptism as being essential?
All you have to do Dan, is to say the water baptism is a part of the recipe and I'd be happy......................
that made me laugh.
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No. Confessing you are a rotten sinner and then turning your direction might be repentance. But confessing with your mouth that Jesus is Lord....anyone can do that and not really have repented
From G3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication reversal (of [another’s] decision): - repentance.
If the confession you are speaking of is one based on a true faith in Christ I have to strongly disagree. One cannot have faith in Christ for salvation without first recognizing his depraved state. All those who have faith in Christ as savior must recognize they are in need of being saved. Those who return to God for salvation through Jesus Christ are those who, in their repentance, believe. Since all those who believe have passed from death unto life and no man can say Jesus is Lord, but by the Holy Ghost (1Corinthians 12:3) any man who truly confesses Christ from a genuine faith has not only repented but possesses the Spirit of God.
How long will this intellectual dishonesty persist? I am yet to meet a poster on this forum that believes baptism is optional ...
We have debated it's significance in the life of the believer ...
at it pertains to causing salvation or done because of initial salvation ...
whether it washes away sin or is part of a confession of faith ... symbolizing and identifying w/ an inward work ...
but to quote scriptures to prove that believers get dunked is at best needless ... at worst ... insulting.
And I have yet to see you be intellectually honest and provide an answer to the question regarding the purpose or effect of baptism.
Your rhetoric is disgusting Dan. You may be a wallflower in person and the epitome of humility when face to face but on this forum you are none of these things. You call folks intellectual liars and use tactics intended to belittle and, to use your word, marginalize anyone who is traditional.
IF, and I say IF, you were right in your doctrine I would discount it and never come to it because you are grossly disingenuous in your representation of it.
If you just want to stir up strife then your methods are perfect. If you want to enlighten you are way off base.
And I have yet to see you be intellectually honest and provide an answer to the question regarding the purpose or effect of baptism.
Your rhetoric is disgusting Dan. You may be a wallflower in person and the epitome of humility when face to face but on this forum you are none of these things. You call folks intellectual liars and use tactics intended to belittle and, to use your word, marginalize anyone who is traditional.
IF, and I say IF, you were right in your doctrine I would discount it and never come to it because you are grossly disingenuous in your representation of it.
If you just want to stir up strife then your methods are perfect. If you want to enlighten you are way off base.
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Originally Posted by philjones
And I have yet to see you be intellectually honest and provide an answer to the question regarding the purpose or effect of baptism.
Your rhetoric is disgusting Dan. You may be a wallflower in person and the epitome of humility when face to face but on this forum you are none of these things. You call folks intellectual liars and use tactics intended to belittle and, to use your word, marginalize anyone who is traditional.
IF, and I say IF, you were right in your doctrine I would discount it and never come to it because you are grossly disingenuous in your representation of it.
If you just want to stir up strife then your methods are perfect. If you want to enlighten you are way off base.
Then perhaps you have not been reading enough of the threads. He has said it many times before, but he also said it ONE MORE TIME here on this thread:
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Yeah ... essential and necessary for obedience ..
Not compulsory in order to remit sin, obtain salvation, or part of an "elusive" NB recipe mix,
Uh....no...it's believe and receive. The emphasis should not be given to what the mouth says but what the heart believes...which is given by God (Ephesians 2:8).
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