Romans 10:9

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I believe this is one of the most potent scripture for salvation by faith alone thru grace. This does not negate repentance, baptism or spirit infilling at all, simply that one is secure just as those that believed Moses and looked in faith upon the brazen serpent, were immediately healed.

Well done, Adino!!

Does one really believe if they don't act on the belief? What about not just being a hearer of the Word but a doer also?

Folks that believed John where dunked in the river by him. If not then they did not believe. Folks that believed Jesus and His disciples where dunked also.


(Joh 3:22) After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
(Joh 3:23) And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

(Joh 3:26) And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
(Joh 4:1) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
(Joh 4:2) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Act 2:41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

(Act 8:12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Or what about these folks who beleived and where baptized in the Spirit?
(Act 10:47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
(Act 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Here's a powerful scripture for ya...


If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. (Romans 10:9-10)

Hold ya dance, the plan of salvation is NOT found in the Book of Romans.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Hold ya dance, the plan of salvation is NOT found in the Book of Romans.

It's posts like these that worry me ...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Does one really believe if they don't act on the belief? What about not just being a hearer of the Word but a doer also?

Folks that believed John where dunked in the river by him. If not then they did not believe. Folks that believed Jesus and His disciples where dunked also.


(Joh 3:22) After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
(Joh 3:23) And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

(Joh 3:26) And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
(Joh 4:1) When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,
(Joh 4:2) (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

(Act 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Act 2:41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

(Act 8:12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Or what about these folks who beleived and where baptized in the Spirit?
(Act 10:47) Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
(Act 10:48) And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days

How long will this intellectual dishonesty persist? I am yet to meet a poster on this forum that believes baptism is optional ...

We have debated it's significance in the life of the believer ...

at it pertains to causing salvation or done because of initial salvation ...

whether it washes away sin or is part of a confession of faith ... symbolizing and identifying w/ an inward work ...

but to quote scriptures to prove that believers get dunked is at best needless ... at worst ... insulting.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I am yet to meet a poster on this forum that believes baptism is optional ...

If you don't believe someone MUST be baptized to be saved then you believe it is optional. If you believe that someone can be saved by JUST repenting then you beleive it is optional.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

If you don't believe someone MUST be baptized to be saved then you believe it is optional. If you believe that someone can be saved by JUST repenting then you beleive it is optional.

Your reasoning here is clearly off.

You are instructed to love your brother. This is not optional, it is a command from God.

If I asked you what constitutes salvation, would you turn to me and say "Love your brother. Goodbye" No, you know you would not. And yet this is a command from God to love your brother...would it be intellectually honest of me to think that you believe loving your brother is optional?

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It's posts like these that worry me ...

Yes, it is unfortunate that some people become dogmatic about these matters to their own detriment.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

How long will this intellectual dishonesty persist? I am yet to meet a poster on this forum that believes baptism is optional ...

We have debated it's significance in the life of the believer ...

at it pertains to causing salvation or done because of initial salvation ...

whether it washes away sin or is part of a confession of faith ... symbolizing and identifying w/ an inward work ...

but to quote scriptures to prove that believers get dunked is at best needless ... at worst ... insulting.

I'll overlook your accusing me of lying...(or is there a difference in being dishonest and lying?)...as just more hyperbole and hydrophobia on your part.

So would it be logical to say: since you state that up to this point there is no one "on this forum that believes baptism is optional" and you are on AFF, that you do not believe that water baptism is optional? And if an antonym of "optional" is "compulsory", then you see water baptism as being essential?

All you have to do Dan, is to say the water baptism is a part of the recipe and I'd be happy......................

[SDG]

Yeah ... essential and necessary for obedience ..

Not compulsory in order to remit sin, obtain salvation, or part of an "elusive" NB recipe mix,

Next ...!!!

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Yeah ... essential and necessary for obedience ...

Next ...!!!

Now, was that so hard?