Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Here's a question for ya bro...what's the Greek word for "remission" in Acts 2:38...and what does it mean?

It is pretty straightforward isn't it????

G859
ἄφεσις
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.

So are you confused on whether it was for remission or forgiveness?

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Oh boy! Yes, I believe so.

Millions of precious people who gave their lives loving Jesus shedding their own blood as martyrs, died with the glory of the Lord in their faces are then going to hell if you are right.

After the Bolshevicks deposed the Czars in the earlier part of the20th century, Christians began suffering a great deal of persecution. I remember the story that one Russian soldier told his companions watching christians die who refused to renounce their faith in Jesus.

Some soldiers were ordered to take a group of christians toforce march them naked through the snow to a prison in Siberia. The soldiers told the christinas that if they would renounce Jesus that they could have a horse to ride on, warm clothes and shoes. The christians refused to renounce. As they marched naked, one by one they started falling in the snow to die.

The soldier witnessed as the christians die in the snow, there was an angel nearby that lifted them up and place a robe around each of them and gave them a crown on their heads. The soldier became so convicted that he began confessing his own faith in Jesus. He dismounted his horse, undressed himself telling his companions, "I want that robe and I want that crown."

My! My! The stony hearts and lack of faith manifested by so many of my own bretheren who hold to their rigid theology is superceded only by the hardness of their spirit.

Sorry, I do not serve the same Jesus that some do. Millions will be there in heaven when I get there who died, giving their life for Jesus who never ever heard of your theology or their one verse creeds.

So true!

Besides, only Jesus, our Lord knows who is heaven or hell bound, for every knee will bow to Him and give an account. Not one person on earth has the authority to judge a man and his salvation.

Jesus is the only God that can look at a person with fair eyes and a fair heart. He is the only one that is holy and all angels and humans will bow down before Him.

We must follow Him and obey Him and leave the judgement up to Him for He is the only Judge.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by pelathais

You are amazing. You cut right through all of the haze and confusion and get right down to business. But what are you talking about?

People love creating incredulous, impossible, or even far fetched scenarios to disprove doctrine.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Yes Acts 2:38 starts the journey...but unless it's obeyed the journey never begins.

John Huss? Lost.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

You don't know if Acts 2:38 is necessary for Salvation or not? LOL Am I on a Bible believing forum? LOL

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I don't care who says what, when, where, why, or how they say it...if one doesn't obey Acts 2:38 they're not saved.

I know that you're having a lot of fun here, however have you considered any of the possible implications that this attitude that you display will have on your relationship with God? Jesus did not come into the world to create thousands of little committees of inquisitioners and judges. He came into the world to seek and save that which was lost.

In the book of Job, Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite all thought that they had the correct understanding of God's ways and judgments and pronounced Job to be a "sinner" because of the evidence which was so obviously right in front of their eyes.

When the Lord appears on the scene he says to Eliphaz, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." To put yourself into the seat of the judge of all the earth is a terrible thing. I caution you on this hubris and again remind you of what happened when Satan declared that he would "ascend to the sides of the north..." (Isaiah 14:12-15).

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Oh boy! Yes, I believe so.

Millions of precious people who gave their lives loving Jesus shedding their own blood as martyrs, died with the glory of the Lord in their faces are then going to hell if you are right.

After the Bolshevicks deposed the Czars in the earlier part of the20th century, Christians began suffering a great deal of persecution. I remember the story that one Russian soldier told his companions watching christians die who refused to renounce their faith in Jesus.

Some soldiers were ordered to take a group of christians toforce march them naked through the snow to a prison in Siberia. The soldiers told the christinas that if they would renounce Jesus that they could have a horse to ride on, warm clothes and shoes. The christians refused to renounce. As they marched naked, one by one they started falling in the snow to die.

The soldier witnessed as the christians die in the snow, there was an angel nearby that lifted them up and place a robe around each of them and gave them a crown on their heads. The soldier became so convicted that he began confessing his own faith in Jesus. He dismounted his horse, undressed himself telling his companions, "I want that robe and I want that crown."

My! My! The stony hearts and lack of faith manifested by so many of my own bretheren who hold to their rigid theology is superceded only by the hardness of their spirit.

Sorry, I do not serve the same Jesus that some do. Millions will be there in heaven when I get there who died, giving their life for Jesus who never ever heard of your theology or their one verse creeds.

This has all the makings of an Urban Christian Legend.

[Apprehended]

When the Lord appears on the scene he says to Eliphaz, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has." To put yourself into the seat of the judge of all the earth is a terrible thing. I caution you on this hubris and again remind you of what happened when Satan declared that he would "ascend to the sides of the north..." (Isaiah 14:12-15)

Amen, bro. P....

That scripture will surely bring conviction. God is not the kind of God that some hard hearts would like to portray him to be. I do not want to be a Eliphaz who has judged God unjustly.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Aquila

William Tyndale...saved or lost?

The answer to that question is "yes."

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

This has all the makings of an Urban Christian Legend.

Fox Book of Martyrs is probably a collection of Urban Legends too. No wonder it is no longer welcome in most Public Libraries.

I might need to throw my collection of legends away too....tic

[Apprehended]

Originally Posted by Sam

The answer to that question is "yes."

Sam,

Are you aware that S. G. Norris believed that he was saved too. In fact, he believed all those reformers were saved.

Are you aware that he believed that his Presbyterian aunt that raised him was also saved?

Are you aware that many outwardly hard three steppers secretly believe what S. G. Norris believed?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Sam,

Are you aware that S. G. Norris believed that he was saved too. In fact, he believed all those reformers were saved.

Are you aware that he believed that his Presbyterian aunt that raised him was also saved?

Are you aware that many outwardly hard three steppers secretly believe what S. G. Norris believed?

Except S.G. Norris wasn't secretive about his beliefs. He published his famous "Where are the Dead?" chart outlining his basis for declaring his dear old aunt saved.

The exclusivism that we see ChristopherHall and others display is really a newer innovation to the Apostolic movement.