AtlantaBishop & Stephen Hoover in ATL

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So the thread in "The Tab" was correct, and CeCe will be singing at a homosexual church, and you are going to be there too.

okay-dokay

Hello Matthew and Greetings in Jesus Name!
I think it is so childish and extremely spiritually immature of those who try to run everyone else's lives - without the FACTS! The Control Freaks still try to control! Nothing has changed!

1. Victory is not a "homosexual church". It is a very large (several thousand) church that does not turn away nor degrade people that struggle in life. It is basically a baptist church and many members are filled with the Holy Ghost.

2. As far as I know- Cece is not scheduled to sing there and if she was - I would go to hear her at Victory, but I would not go to a "homosexual church" to hear anybody!

3. It amazes me that the entire Apostolic movement was impacted musically by ONE MAN that had struggles and to this day his music is the norm in UPC and Apostolic Churches.

4. I wonder about people that every time the homosexual topic comes up - they jump in - screaming & fighting - makes me wonder what they are struggling with.

5. I wrote that about CeCe to see who would take a bite - hmmmmmmmmmmm TAG - YOUR IT!

6. This forum is the same as when I started posting and when I stopped several months ago. Full of depressed people that struggle with issues -yet condemn everyone else that does not hide their sin well.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Don't insult the pretzel, please...

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Hello Matthew and Greetings in Jesus Name!
I think it is so childish and extremely spiritually immature of those who try to run everyone else's lives - without the FACTS! The Control Freaks still try to control! Nothing has changed!

1. Victory is not a "homosexual church". It is a very large (several thousand) church that does not turn away nor degrade people that struggle in life. It is basically a baptist church and many members are filled with the Holy Ghost.

2. As far as I know- Cece is not scheduled to sing there and if she was - I would go to hear her at Victory, but I would not go to a "homosexual church" to hear anybody!

3. It amazes me that the entire Apostolic movement was impacted musically by ONE MAN that had struggles and to this day his music is the norm in UPC and Apostolic Churches.

4. I wonder about people that every time the homosexual topic comes up - they jump in - screaming & fighting - makes me wonder what they are struggling with.

5. I wrote that about CeCe to see who would take a bite - hmmmmmmmmmmm TAG - YOUR IT!

6. This forum is the same as when I started posting and when I stopped several months ago. Full of depressed people that struggle with issues -yet condemn everyone else that does not hide their sin well.

Atlanta Bish, Glad you saw this post and responded - I too was wondering about the stone Mountain Church - but I had not read the Ce Ce thread in the TAB only the title.

There are many good people here... and I for one do NOT struggle with homosexuality!

I hope your weekend meetings went well!

Blessings,

Steve

[ThePastorsCoach]

Hey Friend - That makes TWO of us that are not struggling! LOL

We received 20 new members in on Sunday and one family was an A/G Pastor and his family that are loving CAI! Good things are happening in Atlanta!

[tv1a]

Make that three of us. Congrats on the success @ your church.

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Hey Friend - That makes TWO of us that are not struggling! LOL

We received 20 new members in on Sunday and one family was an A/G Pastor and his family that are loving CAI! Good things are happening in Atlanta!

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Hey Friend - That makes TWO of us that are not struggling! LOL

We received 20 new members in on Sunday and one family was an A/G Pastor and his family that are loving CAI! Good things are happening in Atlanta!

Awesome!!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So the thread in "The Tab" was correct, and CeCe will be singing at a homosexual church, and you are going to be there too.

okay-dokay

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Hello Matthew and Greetings in Jesus Name!
I think it is so childish and extremely spiritually immature of those who try to run everyone else's lives - without the FACTS! The Control Freaks still try to control! Nothing has changed!

1. Victory is not a "homosexual church". It is a very large (several thousand) church that does not turn away nor degrade people that struggle in life. It is basically a baptist church and many members are filled with the Holy Ghost.

2. As far as I know- Cece is not scheduled to sing there and if she was - I would go to hear her at Victory, but I would not go to a "homosexual church" to hear anybody!

With all due respect, Bishop, I think your assessment of Victory Church is somewhat of a "sugar coated" description to say the least.

Indeed, Victory Church is not a "gay church" per se, but is a church that preaches acceptance of gay men and lesbians.

Theres a big difference between a church "not turning away or degrading people that struggle in life" ... and a church that teaches acceptance of homosexuals as part of the church body with no need to repent or change.

From how I see it, its one thing for someone to be formerly gay, know its wrong, and perhaps be stuggling to put aside his homosexual inclinations. That would be "stuggling" with the issue. Its another thing to declare oneself a "gay Christian" and feel that gay sex is not a sin, etc. That isn't struggle. That is just delusion, and rebellion against the Word of God.

In particular, Kenneth Samuels, (pastor of Victory Church) is a known and outspoken advocate of accepting so called "gay Christians" (or "same-gender loving persons" as he at times calls them). He doesnt preach/teach that homosexuality is a sin. He preaches acceptance of homosexuals as they are, with no need for them to change their lifestyle.

Lets look at the bottom line here. Victory Church doesn't simply "not turn away those who struggle" with homosexuality. They practically embrace and encourage those who are in that lifestyle, to come to their church (with their gay lovers if possible) and feel accepted in the body of Christ. And "Pastor" Kenneth L Samuels has been known to employ some of the same "gay theology" arguments that have been used by the gay church movement for decades. That is deception and perversion, plain and simple.

[mizpeh]

Lets look at the bottom line here. Victory Church doesn't simply "not turn away those who struggle" with homosexuality. They practically embrace and encourage those who are in that lifestyle, to come to their church (with their gay lovers if possible) and feel accepted in the body of Christ. And "Pastor" Kenneth L Samuels has been known to employ some of the same "gay theology" arguments that have been used by the gay church movement for decades. That is deception and perversion, plain and simple.

It sounds like post modern theology.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

In particular, Kenneth Samuels, (pastor of Victory Church) is a known and outspoken advocate of accepting so called "gay Christians" (or "same-gender loving persons" as he at times calls them). He doesnt preach/teach that homosexuality is a sin. He preaches acceptance of homosexuals as they are, with no need for them to change their lifestyle.

Lets look at the bottom line here. Victory Church doesn't simply "not turn away those who struggle" with homosexuality. They practically embrace and encourage those who are in that lifestyle, to come to their church (with their gay lovers if possible) and feel accepted in the body of Christ. And "Pastor" Kenneth L Samuels has been known to employ some of the same "gay theology" arguments that have been used by the gay church movement for decades. That is deception and perversion, plain and simple.

If this is true, then I would agree it is very problematic and the view cannot be reconciled with the scriptures. Jesus can forgive homosexual behavior, but if is taught to be anything less than sin, then no forgiveness is needed nor granted.