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06-14-2008, 08:20 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
Elder are you saying infants DO NOT NEED A SAVIOR?
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06-14-2008, 08:24 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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Elder are you saying infants DO NOT NEED A SAVIOR?
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Dan have you read this thread?
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06-14-2008, 09:46 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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There is NO imputation of righteousness without faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Focus... take a deep breath... slowly count from 1 to 10... then read the article I linked to and get on the same page, bro. 
Hey Steve, have you decided whether or not you're going to be heading up this way again later this year?
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06-14-2008, 09:56 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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Madness is sayings infants are sinners. BORN sinners without a choice.
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I was born human without a choice.
Hey Dan, I think everyone here agrees that man is born with a sinful nature. The question is whether he is born with Adam's transgression reckoned to him. Thus, is man born a sinner due to a sin imputed to him he did not personally commit? Is man born spiritually dead or spiritually alive only to subsequently die?
The article I linked to above briefly covers the majority of views taken on this issue. Hopefully, Steve will read some of it. 
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06-14-2008, 10:05 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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I was born human without a choice.
Hey Dan, I think everyone here agrees that man is born with a sinful nature. The question is whether he is born with Adam's transgression reckoned to him. Thus, is man born a sinner due to a sin imputed to him he did not personally commit? Is man born spiritually dead or spiritually alive only to subsequently die?
The article I linked to above briefly covers the majority of views taken on this issue. Hopefully, Steve will read some of it. |
I do not think man is born spiritually alive however I do not believe anyone is born saved. However one is born that in time they will have will free. I believe all are born innocent with a nature that is disposed to sin and will sin if given the time and choice.
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06-14-2008, 10:09 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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I find the federal view of interest. I also like the way he handles Romans 5:12. He makes a very good point concerning Paul's comparison of the imputation of Adam's sin to the imputation of Christ's righteousness. I had come to similar conclusions when reading this passage. |
I haven't read the article yet.
The Reclaiming the Mind site is probably my favorite site on the internet at the moment. I've gone through their Trinitarian, Theology, Hermeneutics and Bibliography classes and I'm finishing up with Humanity and Sin soon. But I became annoyed with their discussion on Transducianism and Creationist view of the origin of the soul and now they are getting into free will (they are Calvinists) so...I've taken a couple weeks off to go back with a fresh mind.
The blog on that site, Parchment and Pen, has some good stuff too. But you have to take the good and leave the bad.
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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So babies are sinners?
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Are babies righteous?
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06-14-2008, 10:21 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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Are babies righteous?
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NO they are innocent! It takes faith to be righteous.
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06-14-2008, 10:30 PM
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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Are babies righteous?
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Are they unrighteous?
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Re: Original Sin/Ancestral Sin
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NO they are innocent! It takes faith to be righteous.
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You are saying what I would like to say... but how possibly can one be born with imputed sin of Adam and still be innocent...
I like that "double imputation" thinking - that puts one of my legs inside the Lutheran Church. 
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