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07-30-2008, 09:27 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
So true!
I feel that as long as I acknowledge that Jesus is Lord is what matters!
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Yes, that is our primary obligation.
But this discussion is important for other reasons entirely.
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07-30-2008, 09:29 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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There certainly are things that can be said about each that cannot be said about the others (no matter how you define "others" and "each") hence, yes, there are distinctions between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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U376977 said,
"In answer to your question about the diagram, I can see where one could argue both oneness and trinitarian. But I would say primarily trinity because it reminds me of the phrases (non biblical) of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit."
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
But are they distinct from?
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There are really two big problems with the diagram. The part where HG is called "God the HG," is no where in the Bible. Do a word search and try to find it. And the biblical language is "Son of God," not "God the Son.
Secondly is what most are posting about. The "is not." "Is not" is what "distinct" means. And folks if you have "distinctions" then you have the Trinity. It is confusing because obvisously the Father is not the Son is not the Holy Ghost. Oneness allows for that--that is where we use our "role" and "manifestation" terminology. But at the same time we say that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost all at the same time.
My q. is why use the diagram? It is confusing at best and requires a lot of explanation to convey what is acutally meant.
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07-30-2008, 09:32 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
In another thread
cneasttx said,
"The diagram is confusing btw.
God IS One. That's all we need to know."
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I am not saying I am confused about the Godhead at all.
I am saying the diagram itself is confusing to me. Those kinds of diagrams always have been.
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07-30-2008, 09:34 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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Originally Posted by U376977
There are really two big problems with the diagram. The part where HG is called "God the HG," is no where in the Bible. Do a word search and try to find it. And the biblical language is "Son of God," not "God the Son.
Secondly is what most are posting about. The "is not." "Is not" is what "distinct" means. And folks if you have "distinctions" then you have the Trinity. It is confusing because obvisously the Father is not the Son is not the Holy Ghost. Oneness allows for that--that is where we use our "role" and "manifestation" terminology. But at the same time we say that Jesus is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost all at the same time.
My q. is why use the diagram? It is confusing at best and requires a lot of explanation to convey what is acutally meant.
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I am sorry, I do not see those "terms" used in the Diagram.
The primary purpose for me using the diagram is to have this discussion.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2008, 09:35 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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I am not saying I am confused about the Godhead at all.
I am saying the diagram itself is confusing to me. Those kinds of diagrams always have been.
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Nevermind the graphics... Are the statements true in your understanding of the God of scripture?
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-30-2008, 09:36 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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What say you?
Does this fit into your theological construct of God? |
I like it.
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07-30-2008, 09:39 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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What say you?
Does this fit into your theological construct of God? |
No, it does not fit into mine.
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07-30-2008, 09:45 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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What say you?
Does this fit into your theological construct of God? |
No.
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07-30-2008, 09:46 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
I guess it's according to what direction you read the diagram.
These three are ONE
OR
This one is three - - - LOL!
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07-30-2008, 09:47 AM
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Re: My Signature Diagram
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In one of these discussions before someone said "Jesus is the Father" - - - I cannot say that.
God is the Father and Jesus is God, but Jesus is not the Father.
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This is why I like it. I've heard too many folks claim that we believe Jesus is his own father.
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