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Old 07-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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I do think I understand what you are saying. And I am not asking if the diagram is how you would prefer to describe God, but rather if it holds true to scripture and your understanding of who God is.

The "is not" is there for good reason.
Well, I think it would be easier for trinitarians to go along with the diagram than oneness folks. I was always taught that the Godhead was just manifestations of one God. I tend to agree with this because it was always hammered into my head. I haven't completely made up my mind on all of this though.
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Sorry Timmy I would have to do a word study on that one!
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In a nutshell, if A is B, and B is C, then A is C (if "is" is transitive).

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God

Transitivity implies that

3. The Father is the Son

This is assuming that, in the diagram, "God" is a noun (proper noun, i.e. a name) and not an adjective (synonym for "divine", perhaps).
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Old 07-30-2008, 09:08 AM
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Just like Delta's book he's reading......it's all in the interpretation.
That's right! Some folks look at that diagram and say it supports a Trinity within the Godhead. Others see it as defining the different manifestations of God and the relations of those manifestations to the other.

I guess it depends on the glasses you are wearing!
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In one of these discussions before someone said "Jesus is the Father" - - - I cannot say that. God is the Father and Jesus is God, but Jesus is not the Father.
Of course that is the crux of the matter for many in Oneness circles.

When someone says "Jesus, the Son of God, is NOT the Father" they read into it a denial of the deity of Jesus. I am the first to say Jesus is God Almighty - which was, is, and is to come. At the same time it should not be said that Jesus, the Only Begotten Son, was the Father to that Son.
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Follow the link!

In a nutshell, if A is B, and B is C, then A is C (if "is" is transitive).

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God

Transitivity implies that

3. The Father is the Son

This is assuming that, in the diagram, "God" is a noun (proper noun, i.e. a name) and not an adjective (synonym for "divine", perhaps).
Then the answer is NO.
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Then the answer is NO.
Then is "God" an adjective, in the diagram? Would it be equivalent if "divine" were in the center?
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Well, I think it would be easier for trinitarians to go along with the diagram than oneness folks. I was always taught that the Godhead was just manifestations of one God. I tend to agree with this because it was always hammered into my head. I haven't completely made up my mind on all of this though.
I hear you.

This does not have to come from you...

but I am interested in knowing specifically what it is that a Oneness veiw disagrees on.
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Follow the link!

In a nutshell, if A is B, and B is C, then A is C (if "is" is transitive).

1. The Father is God
2. The Son is God

Transitivity implies that

3. The Father is the Son

This is assuming that, in the diagram, "God" is a noun (proper noun, i.e. a name) and not an adjective (synonym for "divine", perhaps).
When I read the word, God, I always think of a who and and not a what, therefore I would not agree with the qualitative (divine) sense of the word, God.

Interesting that you brought that point up!
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Then is "God" an adjective, in the diagram? Would it be equivalent if "divine" were in the center?
It would be euivalent only only as it relates to divinity.

I am not sure laws of Math and English will work here actually...

God can found adding to Himself, and limiting Himself, even "creating" Himself through the incarnation.

Great is the mystery.
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It would be euivalent only only as it relates to their divinity.

I am not sure laws of Math and English will work here actually...

God can adding to Himself, and limiting Himself, even "creating" Himself through the incarnation.

Great is the mystery.
So true!

I feel that as long as I acknowledge that Jesus is Lord is what matters!
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