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08-04-2008, 04:37 PM
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Just How Powerful is the Borg?
Just How Powerful is the Borg?
Do you ever feel an overwhelming need to assimilate back into it's clutches?
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08-04-2008, 04:43 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Just How Powerful is the Borg?
Do you ever feel an overwhelming need to assimilate back into it's clutches?
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You have a way with words, even if it IS a crude analogy.
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08-04-2008, 05:13 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
In my opinion the STNG two part episode "Best of Both Worlds" Parts 1 and 2 are two of the greatest Star Trek episodes and feature The Borg.
Anyone who really knows much about the Borg knows that it is NOT a crude analogy but actually one right on the money in many instances.
Just as some think comparing the film "The Village" to old time Pentecost is "crude" many others who have come out of it we think it is a very apt analogy.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-04-2008, 05:33 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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In my opinion the STNG two part episode "Best of Both Worlds" Parts 1 and 2 are two of the greatest Star Trek episodes and feature The Borg.
Anyone who really knows much about the Borg knows that it is NOT a crude analogy but actually one right on the money in many instances.
Just as some think comparing the film "The Village" to old time Pentecost is "crude" many others who have come out of it we think it is a very apt analogy.
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Just so we're clear, old buddy, I recognize that this is quite likely your well-grounded opinion. I hope that you also recognize, that comparing an entire denomination to a coercive and destructively pestilent alien race, just might be offensive.
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Engineering solutions for theological problems.
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"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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08-04-2008, 05:36 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Just so we're clear, old buddy, I recognize that this is quite likely your well-grounded opinion. I hope that you also recognize, that comparing an entire denomination to a coercive and destructively pestilent alien race, just might be offensive.
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Not an entire denomination OP Carl.
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08-04-2008, 05:46 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
PP, this is an honest question, Brother. Why do you stay, if you feel this way about the organization you belong to? Why not find an organization that better suits you or go the independent route?
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08-04-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Just so we're clear, old buddy, I recognize that this is quite likely your well-grounded opinion. I hope that you also recognize, that comparing an entire denomination to a coercive and destructively pestilent alien race, just might be offensive.
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OP,
I think those looking to take offense will take the analogy too far. I think the analogy PP is making has to do with the Borg being a "collective" and how that their thoughts and actions are synthesized into one.
How they devalue individual thought or action.
From my perspective of having been in the mothership for about half my life and out for about half I think that is an apt analogy of the UPC.
It is a religous sect that seeks to maintain its distinctives through managing a "collective" thought process / approach to extra biblical traditions.
No evil intent like the Borg have but a similar approach.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-04-2008, 05:51 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Originally Posted by Rico
PP, this is an honest question, Brother. Why do you stay, if you feel this way about the organization you belong to? Why not find an organization that better suits you or go the independent route?
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Who mentioned anything about an organization?
The Borg is an ideological group.
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08-04-2008, 05:53 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Originally Posted by CC1
OP,
I think those looking to take offense will take the analogy too far. I think the analogy PP is making has to do with the Borg being a "collective" and how that their thoughts and actions are synthesized into one.
How they devalue individual thought or action.
From my perspective of having been in the mothership for about half my life and out for about half I think that is an apt analogy of the UPC.
It is a religous sect that seeks to maintain its distinctives through managing a "collective" thought process / approach to extra biblical traditions.
No evil intent like the Borg have but a similar approach.
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Leave out the UPC and you're correct.
The Borg is interdenominational. It consists of all who seek to intimidate hapless souls into brainless, thoughtless submission to a code of conduct built to empower a few.
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08-04-2008, 05:54 PM
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Re: Just How Powerful is the Borg?
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Who mentioned anything about an organization?
The Borg is an ideological group.
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So, you're not referring to the dominant mindset in the UPC? Well, maybe not so dominant since there seems to be an exedus of among the anti-tv crowd. What exactly is it you are referring to as "The Borg", and how would someone qualify as a Borg member?
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