this was my second post in this thread. it provides the context of my view concerning the modern nation of Israel.
Why did you ask how we knew God was not behind it, then?
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
You asked how we knew God was not behind it, and conflicted with our views and gave your interpretation of Deut 30 that proposed God is behind it.. That is Christian Zionism. But if you do not wish to be tagged with that, we will certainly keep that in mind and not label it on you.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Why did you ask how we knew God was not behind it, then?
Because you are so very certain that God is not behind it. That smacks of a theological egotism that deserves my question.
If Haggie were to log on to this forum and posit the opposite view to yours, I would ask him EXACTLY the same thing. How does he know that God is behind it?
Again we go back to what the word means and what people want it to mean. "Zionist" doesnt simply mean "one who wants modern Isreal to exist" to people who use it in the context you have used it here. It has a neferious hidden secret and dangerous meaing. That is a bunch of hooey if you ask me.
if my believing that Israel has a right to exist because I believe that the Jewish people have a right to have thier own nation then I am what I am, but lets not ascribe all those other dark and hidden meanings to it.
I also believe the Kurds ought to have a national homeland.
So do you think Israel is the bad guy in the middle east? do you think America should not ally with them?
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Because you are so very certain that God is not behind it. That smacks of a theological egotism that deserves my question.
If Haggie were to log on to this forum and posit the opposite view to yours, I would ask him EXACTLY the same thing. How does he know that God is behind it?
Again we go back to what the word means and what people want it to mean. "Zionist" doesnt simply mean "one who wants modern Isreal to exist" to people who use it in the context you have used it here. It has a neferious hidden secret and dangerous meaing. That is a bunch of hooey if you ask me.
if my believing that Israel has a right to exist because I believe that the Jewish people have a right to have thier own nation then I am what I am, but lets not ascribe all those other dark and hidden meanings to it.
I also believe the Kurds ought to have a national homeland.
So do you think Israel is the bad guy in the middle east? do you think America should not ally with them?
Ferd, I too agree for Israel to exist as a nation that isn't the point.
The point is this, is Israel in it's current form & how it is gone about it been 100% the will of God?
Ferd, I too agree for Israel to exist as a nation that isn't the point.
The point is this, is Israel in it's current form & how it is gone about it been 100% the will of God?
That is the only question.
and my point is that this piont makes as much sense as a football bat Ron.
That is a standard in direct opposition to the standard we use for the lagitamacy of our own nations!
You dont know for sure that this isnt the vehicle that God has chosen to draw Israel to himself. you just dont know that.
What you and I do know is that Israel as a nation is a free nation that allows its people to have liberty and to worship as they see fit.
What we do know is that this isnt true of the nations that surround them.
I think it smaks of eletism for you to stand in judgement on this point. (which I recognize as being quite different than Brother Blumes )
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Because you are so very certain that God is not behind it. That smacks of a theological egotism that deserves my question.
If Haggie were to log on to this forum and posit the opposite view to yours, I would ask him EXACTLY the same thing. How does he know that God is behind it?
When something as plain as Deut 30 says God is not behind something like that, it does not take an theological egotism to say God is not behind it. lol
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Again we go back to what the word means and what people want it to mean. "Zionist" doesnt simply mean "one who wants modern Isreal to exist" to people who use it in the context you have used it here. It has a neferious hidden secret and dangerous meaing. That is a bunch of hooey if you ask me.
There is no hidden meaning. It is just as you say. That is not the issue. You are not seriously even reading what we say to respond correctly. You presume what our intents are and then presume what we are saying.
Zionism is more correctly a secular Israel state. Period. Nothing mystical and nefarious about it.
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if my believing that Israel has a right to exist because I believe that the Jewish people have a right to have thier own nation then I am what I am, but lets not ascribe all those other dark and hidden meanings to it.
Nobody did!
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I also believe the Kurds ought to have a national homeland.
So do you think Israel is the bad guy in the middle east? do you think America should not ally with them?
I do not think Israel are the bad guys whatsoever. I agree with the Jews that God is not allowing them to have peace since Israel should only be a nation if they serve God.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
and my point is that this piont makes as much sense as a football bat Ron.
That is a standard in direct opposition to the standard we use for the lagitamacy of our own nations!
NO OTHER NATION is like Israel, or was ever meant to be like Israel. Why can't you accept that? God told Samuel when they wanted to be like other nations they rejected God. You can try as you might, but Israel was created SOLELY to serve God in this world.
Zionism has usurped the nation's name and homeland for a secular system.
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You dont know for sure that this isnt the vehicle that God has chosen to draw Israel to himself. you just dont know that.
Yes we do know that. Deut 30 plainly shows us. If you disagree, then disagree. But its right there in black and white.
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What you and I do know is that Israel as a nation is a free nation that allows its people to have liberty and to worship as they see fit.
What we do know is that this isnt true of the nations that surround them.
I think it smaks of eletism for you to stand in judgement on this point. (which I recognize as being quite different than Brother Blumes )
LOL. When we stand on God's word about the issue, it is not elitism, but acceptance of God's Word.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Have we turned the notion of Israel into a secular thing, somewhat like many denominations have turned church into a social club where resurrection, virgin birth and creation are not even elements of faith any more?
I see a connection.
Saying Israel is like any other nation and should have their homeland is involved in denying the fact that God told Samuel they rejected Him when they wanted a king like other nations.
Israel IS NOT TO BE LIKE any other nation.
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