Cosmetics???

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

explain why. It does appear painting eye is always associate with wicked women or those under judgement.

Always assosciated with wicked women? Where? in one verse of the bible?
Theres is ony one verse in the Bible (2 Kings 9:30) that clearly speaks of eye-painting, which is when Jezebel the queen did so.

(The Is 3:16 thing is a stretch, based on one man's opinion in a commentary. I dont know of any bible version that renders it as "painted eyes". Hundreds of bible translators have looked over that verse while translating the KJV, NIV,RSV,ASV, etc etc.. and none of these versions render it as "painted eyes", so why should Adam Clarke's commentary be taken as being more weighty than all these bible translations we have?)

So again, let me ask that same rhetorical question a different way... if the Bible had said Jezebel put on high heeled shoes, should we then assume that high heeled shoes are a sin? Or if it had said she put on perfume, would that make you think perfume is a sin?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Always assosciated with wicked women? Where? in one verse of the bible?
Theres is ony one verse in the Bible (2 Kings 9:30) that clearly speaks of eye-painting, which is when Jezebel the queen did so.

(The Is 3:16 thing is a stretch, based on one man's opinion in a commentary. I dont know of any bible version that renders it as "painted eyes". Hundreds of bible translators have looked over that verse while translating the KJV, NIV,RSV,ASV, etc etc.. and none of these versions render it as "painted eyes", so why should Adam Clarke's commentary be taken as being more weighty than all these bible translations we have?)

So again, let me ask that same rhetorical question a different way... if the Bible has said Jezebel put on high heeled shoes, should we then assume that high heeled shoes are a sin? Or if it had said she put on perfume, would that make you think perfume is a sin?

Don't care for high heels myself, they don't look comely, IMO. But I see your point, just because it says jezebel painted her face doesn't mean it's sin.

[Truthseeker]

Jer 4:30

30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
KJV


Many use this scripture as well. "in vain make thyself fair"

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Don't care for high heels myself, they don't look comely, IMO. But I see your point, just because it says jezebel painted her face doesn't mean it's sin.

Bingo.

...which is why I originally said that the biblical basis for preaching/teaching against makeup is very weak --- actually, it's non-existent.

Frankly, I think there are many preachers today who recognize that, but are afraid to offend those who would think they're "removing the old landmarks". However, I think our loyalty needs to be toward the Word of God, not to man's traditions.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Ok folks I've doing a little research on what the bible says about makeup and such. This not let's fight over standards thread, I just want others input ont he subject.

Let me start it off.

Isa 3:16

16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:
KJV

Isa 3:16
This fashion seems to have prevailed very generally among the Eastern people in ancient times; and they retain the very same to this day.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Since it seems that "this fashion seems to have prevailed" among the Eastern people maybe this scripture is about the women being HAUGHTY.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Jer 4:30

30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
KJV


Many use this scripture as well. "in vain make thyself fair"

OK. and you take this verse to mean what?
(Let's forget for a moment what "many" other people use this scripture for.)
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My view? Pretty simple.

What are you doing, you devastated one?
Why dress yourself in scarlet
and put on jewels of gold?
Why color your eyes with paint?
You adorn yourself in vain.
Your lovers despise you;
they seek your life. (Jer 4:30 NIV)

God was not saying that it was a sin for her (Israel) to beautify herself. He said she was doing it in vain, because even after she beaufified herself for her lovers (other nations and their gods), they still rejected her... and Israel would face the wrath, with no-one to help her. That is what that verse, and that chapter, is about.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

OK. and you take this verse to mean what?
(Let's forget for a moment what "many" other people use this scripture for.)
-------

My view? Pretty simple.

What are you doing, you devastated one?
Why dress yourself in scarlet
and put on jewels of gold?
Why color your eyes with paint?
You adorn yourself in vain.
Your lovers despise you;
they seek your life. (Jer 4:30 NIV)

God was saying that it was not a sin for her (Israel) to beautify herself. He said she was doing it in vain, because even after she beaufified herself for her lovers (other nations and their gods), they still rejected her... and Israel would face the wrath, with no-one to help her. That is what that verse, and that chapter, is about.

Yes, exactly! Very good, excellent, TRFrance!!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, exactly! Very good, excellent, TRFrance!!!

sorry. I forgot to put the word NOT in there.
That makes the whole post make more sense.


correction made.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Jer 4:30

30 And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.
KJV


Many use this scripture as well. "in vain make thyself fair"

He didn't say that it was wrong for them to make themselves fair, just that it wouldn't do them any good.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

sorry. I forgot to put the word NOT in there.
That makes the whole post make more sense.


correction made.

I knew what you meant. I'll make the correction in my post as well.