No, I'm not ignoring anything. What is going to be taught at college is pretty openly available for parents to look at and know about before the kids get anywhere near college aged. I'm raising four children right now, I'm not ignoring the danger with the philosophical bends that exist. My kids have been, already, exposed to a lot of things that they will be exposed to in college. We've discussed it, from a young age (at age appropriate levels) and it won't be anything new when they get there. Of course, that means I'll be missing something else and that'll be a whollup of a surprise for them.
Had you been exposed to the idea that two people can read the exact same text and draw differing conclusions from it, would it have been as challenging for you when you were exposed to the new philosophies and ideas?
If you're taking that from anything I said you're seriously misreading me. Why would I ever tell parents not to pray for their children?
I think I understand your point well, but was disagreeable in the way it was presented. Your point is: train up your children, think critically, prepare them and then this wouldn't be a problem. My point is that's a great idea, parents should take note (though, let's be clear, this is idealistic and not the reality for the millions of families in America) but the comments on here seem to ignore the reality of "evil professors," as one put it. I'm not sure I'd call them evil, but the ideas certainly are.
I've been a student, I am a student, I've read too many studies on the demographics of faculty, and I understand the clash of worldviews that is everywhere in our society. I don't think it's completely preventable, I think your ideas would be a huge improvement, but it's not practical to think every home will be able to equip there children on that level (again, not every household are college graduates or thinkers, they aren't all like us). This worldview clash is really a war, and wars have casualities. Your ideas are great and present the idea of ammo and armor, but it's certainly not the cure-all for a growing problems. I pointed to just a few Christian orgs that are sponsoring programs as a result of this study.
Worse than Christians abandoning their faith, are the subtle lies they are "taken captive" by, and not realizing it. They borrow pop culture expressions that have no biblical worldview. The enemy is cunning, and I don't think it's a hopeless situation, but we must not dismiss it lightly
What sort of world are you living in that you don't think the University's imposition in the world of ideas if part of the problem? Can you be serious?
Yeah, I actually am serious.
This reminds me of a question I asked one time. Why does it surprise anyone when sinners sin?
Why does it surprise anyone when the world teaches worldly ideas? I don't think that's the problem in any way. It's what the world does.
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Please do research with your library card on the percentage of atheism in University faculty members. Then find out the percentage of deism. This is a battle of worldviews, and to think their preaching of their worldviews is not part of the problem is a grave error.
I have researched this.
I don't think their preaching is any more of a problem than preachers preaching. Preachers are as wrong about their worldviews are as professors are.
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To a purist, education is objective information. Unfortunately, this isn't Utopia, and education is given from the mouths of many that have specific motives far from objective.
But, that's not exclusive to University and professors.
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Yes. Four boys, 18 to 29. Three of them are either exceptions to Proverbs 22:6 or proof that we failed in training them. Unless the "way they should go" is a lot more flexible than most Christians think!
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This reminds me of a question I asked one time. Why does it surprise anyone when sinners sin?
Why does it surprise anyone when the world teaches worldly ideas? I don't think that's the problem in any way. It's what the world does.
I have researched this.
I don't think their preaching is any more of a problem than preachers preaching. Preachers are as wrong about their worldviews are as professors are.
But, that's not exclusive to University and professors.
My problem with your comments is that you seem to want to put everything on us, and not deny it's a battlefield. Your comment in bold is alarming to me. We may preach something different then each other, but we see the world through a Christian worldview, which is pretty broad. To equate a professor who is godless in his worldview, to a Christian is silly. Let's not split hairs.
I given credence to your suggestions of preparation, but I can't even get you to admit that University professors are preaching a false worldview, sometimes subtle, and are intent on changing minds -- which inherently makes them a battlefield. Can you at least admit that?? Is that a stretch to you?? Or do you really see the godless professor's classroom identical to "our churches."
My problem with your comments is that you seem to want to put everything on us, and not deny it's a battlefield. Your comment in bold is alarming to me. We may preach something different then each other, but we see the world through a Christian worldview, which is pretty broad. To equate a professor who is godless in his worldview, to a Christian is silly. Let's not split hairs.
I given credence to your suggestions of preparation, but I can't even get you to admit that University professors are preaching a false worldview, sometimes subtle, and are intent on changing minds -- which inherently makes them a battlefield. Can you at least admit that?? Is that a stretch to you?? Or do you really see the godless professor's classroom identical to "our churches."
I think we are witnessing a misunderstanding in the making....
Timmy, pass the popcorn!!!
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I think we are witnessing a misunderstanding in the making....
Timmy, pass the popcorn!!!
I'll throw in some coffee and donuts too.
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You become free from who you have become, by becoming who you were meant to be. ~Mark from another forum I post on
God did it for us. Out of sheer generosity he put us in right standing with himself. A pure gift. He got us out of the mess we're in and restored us to where he always wanted us to be. And he did it by means of Jesus Christ. ~Romans 3:24 from The Message
I feel like I'm stating what is most obvious, and yet the response is "we aren't doing enough or it wouldn't be a problem." Christ's time wasn't strangers to "higher learning", especially as promoted among the Greeks. Paul was exceptional at Mars Hill too. But the mass of Christians then didn't concern themselves with it.
Critical learning is crucial, as it spawns the thirst for further learning -- and Truth Project, True-U and Wisdom University are programs helping our church families on this level (and other apologetics out there). So there's hope. But that the University is an intense battlefield should not be dismissed and scoffed at with the church and families as scape goats. More absurd was the a professor's worldview is see "no different than a preacher's preaching." Fundamental differences in worldview. That we are talking in terms of worldview is something most students don't get the advantage of. Learning is growing (growing pains sometimes ha) for sure...
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