Poll for UPCI member/preachers only

[KWSS1976]

Just diffrent strokes for diffrent folks thats all I really don't think the TV and the dress standards thing is a big issue anymore..

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

See Baron I want let my son watch UFC cause he is the type he would go to school and try to drop kick one of his friends..LOL

Aww c'mon now boys will be boys. Gotta let them have some school yard fights. My son will be 16 next month so I don't think he will be drop kicking his friends.

[KWSS1976]

I am really suprised that they show the UFC on TV as it is not like boxing they have gloves but no padding on the gloves and I have watched my share of mouth pieces with teeth attached to them fly out..LOL I am suprised they have not moved it to strictly PPV

[Twisp]

I don't think ownership of a TV will be on the application to get into Heaven, lol.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I am really suprised that they show the UFC on TV as it is not like boxing they have gloves but no padding on the gloves and I have watched my share of mouth pieces with teeth attached to them fly out..LOL I am suprised they have not moved it to strictly PPV

I think the live events are PPV, gotta love the reruns on Spike TV.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Is it not the concern of every member of the body of Christ when ministers do not keep their word? The question is not if they pass rules but not enforce them. The real question is why they are AFRAID to stand against these rules?

no.....i do not believe it is the concern of every member of the body of Christ when a minister sins, lies, heals the sick, or pretty much does anything good or bad.

i will guess that you are not a member of the UPCI club...so why do you think they are afraid? why not just let them be? isn't there enough worth while causes(poverty, hunger, homelessness, education, etc...) that every member of the body of Christ ought to be concerned with? i think we get caught up with these silly distractions and lose sight of what the Kingdom is really about.

[Kim Komando]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can you or someone else quote the position here for us to read?

As you may already know Praxeas ministers must affirm the following statement in regards to the Holiness article and Fundamental Doctrine every two years that includes a promise to believe, embrace, practice, preach and teach against the "displays all these evils on television" and having one in their home to God's (our) people.

The affirmation reads:

I do hereby declare that I believe and embrace the Fundamental Doctrine as stated in the Articles of Faith as set forth in the Manual of the United Pentecostal Church International. I also believe and embrace the holiness standards of the United Pentecostal Church International as set forth in said Articles of Faith, and I pledge to practice, preach, and teach the same.

Source: http://www.socalupci.org/uploads/200...nStatement.doc


The merger Holiness article was amended in 1954 with this last paragraph which reads:

We wholeheartedly disapprove of our people indulging in any activities which are not conducive to good Christianity and godly living, such as theaters, dances, mixed bathing or swimming, women cutting their hair, make-up, any apparel that immodestly exposes the body, all worldly sports and amusements, and unwholesome radio programs and music.

Furthermore, because of the display of all these evils on television, we disapprove of any of our people having television sets in their homes. We admonish all of our people to refrain from any of these practices in the interest of spiritual progress and the soon coming of the Lord for His church.

Source: http://www.upci.org/doctrine/articlesoffaith.asp


A position statement regarding the use of video by saints and ministers clarifying the organization's position on television and the viewing of Hollywood motion pictures for entertainment was adopted by the General Conference in 1983. It reads:

VIDEO (RESTRICTIONS) Adopted by the General Conference in 1983

Inasmuch as the United Pentecostal Church International has taken a positive stand against television as an instrument of Satan to defile the church with worldliness through the viewing of movies and other programs which are contrary to holiness and separation unto the Lord, and

Inasmuch as this stand has proven to be ordained of God in contributing in great measure to the safeguarding of the purity of the constituency of the United Pentecostal Church International, [and] Whereas many other movements which have not taken this position have sadly degenerated in their holiness standards and no longer live separated lives, and

Inasmuch as motion pictures are utilized by the world as the medium by which the basest and most corrupt passions and activities of men are portrayed on the screen, and the United Pentecostal Church International has traditionally opposed said movie films produced for the entertainment of the ungodly world and have permitted the use of this medium among God's people only in such areas as taking pictures of families and friends and the viewing of educational, religious, or inspirational films,and

Inasmuch as video has now come on the scene and is being used to bring in, preserve, and show television programs, movie films, and other impure and ungodly scenes which the United Pentecostal Church International has consistently opposed for many years, and if unrestricted use is permitted, it [video] will jeapordize and destroy the holiness standards of separation from the world which the United Pentecostal Church International [has] consistently upheld for many years relative to television and motion pictures, and

Inasmuch as there are video cassettes offered to the public free at libraries, and [since for a nominal cost video cassettes] are available at rental agencies and video stores consisting of every kind of film including those X-rated, which are the most corrupt, debased, depraved "imagination" of men's hearts which are on evil continually; [and since] video games of all kind are likewise available; [and since] most video sets are equipped with receivers which can show and tape the television channels, Be it therefore resolved that the use of video be strictly limited to those areas in which motion picture cameras and projectors are traditionally permitted to be used; namely, in taking of pictures of families, friends, and church activities, and the viewing of educational, religious, or inspirational films which are consistent with wholesome Christian principles.

Be it further resolved that we restate our strong opposition to the viewing of all worldly motion pictures and video films as are being shown commercially in theatres and on television for entertainment purposes for the ungodly masses, and the use of them in any form for God's people.

Be it further resolved that all video receivers be so altered as to be unable to receive television channels.

Be it further resolved that none of our ministers use video in any way except as herein provided.

Source: http://www.spiritualabuse.org/issues...ion/video.html

The spirit of this last position resolution is clearly challenged with the internet. If the spirit of this position statement were to be followed ministers would alter their computers not to be able to receive television channels which might ultimately mean no internet connectivity.

Ministers should not use video in any way except for such things family and church pictures, inspirational and educational use only. The position paper reinforces opposition to the viewing of Hollywood movies for entertainment. That such movies are ungodly and that the fellowship has permitted and restricted viewing of videos to the uses it defines.

This would also have to apply to Youtube and Hulu, if followed to the spirit of the law.

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Baron, don't most municipalities have laws on the books that are not enforced?


Eventially terms are clarifed and redefined and the books get cleaned up.

Stephen Hoover, you seem to have good sense.

[KWSS1976]

spirtualabuse site is awsome

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Baron, don't most municipalities have laws on the books that are not enforced?


Eventially terms are clarifed and redefined and the books get cleaned up.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

As with most things there are gray areas here too. Whether some admit that is another thing entirely. Can a family member have a TV in the home?

Can "TV" be watched on internet?

Stephen Hoover, you seem to have good sense.