Post UPCI Gen Supt. Election Questions

[n david]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Where a crew neck type of shirt with a sport coat and blue jeans and you'll be an "emergent." Don't stand behind a traditional pulpit and you're an "emergent." Turn the electric guitars up loud enough that they can actually be heard and you'll be "emergent."

Abstain from denominational style hierarchies and you'll be "emergent."

Become frustrated that you aren't reaching your community and you'll probably end up being "emergent" whether you like it or not.

There's a lot more to emergent than just that. Those show the lighter side of the emergent movement. There is a darker side to it that questions everything, demands tolerance of everything and pushes relativism.

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I choose to believe the reason PM gave for removing his name. If he lied to his fellow ministers then God knows his heart and will judge him.

Originally Posted by Theophil

I was there when he withdrew his name. I have known PM for near 30 years. I believe him to be as he appears to be, an honest and sincere man of God with a great sense of humor. God bless him, he had the office of GS in his pocket and withdrew his name because he believed that is what God wanted. I may be naive, unsophisticated, simple, but that is how I see it.

I agree with both posts. I may not agree with PM on some issues and messages ... but I'm sure he understands the weight of stating he was following God's lead.

[Kim Komando]

Grace Amazing, you have just called PM a liar, questioned his integrity and attached nefarious motives to him. *gasp* His motives must be pure and spiritual and not include mundane conspiratorial considerations like retirment planning.

[StillStanding]

PM can say that he could have been the GS if he had wanted it. That gives him a LOT of political clout!

He can now keep his current position and have a heavy say in the direction the UPCI chooses to take.

[GraceAmazing]

I hope you are being sarcastic *gasp*...

He is a good man...he just thinks his family should be in pastorship after he leaves and the church isn't ready for that I'm afraid. I went to IBC and it is a great school and that is in large part due to Mooney's progressive thinking...and if he felt the Holy Ghost told him not to do it, then let's all thank God that he listened AND obeyed!!!

[BlestAssurance]

Such cynicism is sad...

The devil can go on vacation as there are plenty of folks ready to take over as accusers of their brother.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by GraceAmazing

I hope you are being sarcastic *gasp*...

He is a good man...he just thinks his family should be in pastorship after he leaves and the church isn't ready for that I'm afraid. I went to IBC and it is a great school and that is in large part due to Mooney's progressive thinking...and if he felt the Holy Ghost told him not to do it, then let's all thank God that he listened AND obeyed!!!

Kim was chastised for saying what you said already - their post was tic.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by BlestAssurance

Such cynicism is sad...

The devil can go on vacation as there are plenty of folks ready to take over as accusers of their brother.

Would you be cynical if Rex Johnson said that God told him to leave the UPCI because it was too conservative? Would you accuse RJ of being off base?

I'm cynical of ANYONE who says that GOD told them to do anything! Why can't a preacher OWN UP to his decision instead of putting it off on God? Is it because if it turns out to be the wrong decision, it's God's fault and not theirs?

Why can't a preacher say, "After much prayer and consideration, I have decided...."?

I think I know.......because saying "God told me" gives it special spiritual weight!

[Sarah]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Would you be cynical if Rex Johnson said that God told him to leave the UPCI because it was too conservative? Would you accuse RJ of being off base?

I'm cynical of ANYONE who says that GOD told them to do anything! Why can't a preacher OWN UP to his decision instead of putting it off on God? Is it because if it turns out to be the wrong decision, it's God's fault and not theirs?

Why can't a preacher say, "After much prayer and consideration, I have decided...."?

I think I know.......because saying "God told me" gives it special spiritual weight!

Mr. Steinway, don't you think God can 'tell' us something after 'much prayer'? If not, why have 'much prayer'?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Would you be cynical if Rex Johnson said that God told him to leave the UPCI because it was too conservative? Would you accuse RJ of being off base?

I'm cynical of ANYONE who says that GOD told them to do anything! Why can't a preacher OWN UP to his decision instead of putting it off on God? Is it because if it turns out to be the wrong decision, it's God's fault and not theirs?

Why can't a preacher say, "After much prayer and consideration, I have decided...."?

I think I know.......because saying "God told me" gives it special spiritual weight!

Apparently you and others don't believe God speaks or directs people anymore ... incredible.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Sarah

Mr. Steinway, don't you think God can 'tell' us something after 'much prayer'? If not, why have 'much prayer'?

Just posted along the same thought ...

Everythings relevant. God doesn't speak or direct anymore. It's every persons decision for themself ... God isn't in the equation.