We have an old minister in my church. He pastored a small church for many many years before handing it to the next pastor. He has no retirement. No savings. Nothing b/c his little church never got big enough to fun dthose sort of things. He is from the old school where you sank every penny into the work and and just truested God for the rest. He's now in poor health and he and his wife struggle to get by. THAT is who I will give to.
We have missionaries in INdis that are out of our church. They need support to stay over there. That is who I will give to.
I have a brother who just lost his house and he, my neice who lives with him and her infant son are on the verge of homelessness. THAT is who I will give to.
We have multiple seniors in church who just don't always have enough money to get by even with the Government assistance they recieve. They will go hungry without help. That is who I will give to.
These are the types that often go without and end up starving b/c so many people never give them a second thought. You just keep thinking "oh they have Feeral programs. They have food pantry's. They have family that will help". So you never give them a thought and they do without.
You want to say i am withut compassion b/c I'm not jumping on the "lets all help Haiti" bandwagon? Ok. You're free to do so. My compassion is very much alive and well. I just choose to take care of my own instead of those in another country. I am constantly giving $25 to $50 everytime I hear of some family in the church being in need. INcluding black families (I felt I should maybe point that out since at least two of you have been so classless as to make veiled racism accusations).
Give all you want. If it clears your conscience and makes you feel warm and fuzzy then go for it. But I hope you also remember that CNN and MSNBC aren't running 24/7 coverage of the people who are probably around you everyday that need help too but go unnoticed.
We have an old minister in my church. He pastored a small church for many many years before handing it to the next pastor. He has no retirement. No savings. Nothing b/c his little church never got big enough to fun dthose sort of things. He is from the old school where you sank every penny into the work and and just truested God for the rest. He's now in poor health and he and his wife struggle to get by. THAT is who I will give to.
We have missionaries in INdis that are out of our church. They need support to stay over there. That is who I will give to.
I have a brother who just lost his house and he, my neice who lives with him and her infant son are on the verge of homelessness. THAT is who I will give to.
We have multiple seniors in church who just don't always have enough money to get by even with the Government assistance they recieve. They will go hungry without help. That is who I will give to.
These are the types that often go without and end up starving b/c so many people never give them a second thought. You just keep thinking "oh they have Feeral programs. They have food pantry's. They have family that will help". So you never give them a thought and they do without.
You want to say i am withut compassion b/c I'm not jumping on the "lets all help Haiti" bandwagon? Ok. You're free to do so. My compassion is very much alive and well. I just choose to take care of my own instead of those in another country. I am constantly giving $25 to $50 everytime I hear of some family in the church being in need. INcluding black families (I felt I should maybe point that out since at least two of you have been so classless as to make veiled racism accusations).
Give all you want. If it clears your conscience and makes you feel warm and fuzzy then go for it. But I hope you also remember that CNN and MSNBC aren't running 24/7 coverage of the people who are probably around you everyday that need help too but go unnoticed.
Good Job. Those in Haiti do have everyone to give to them... But those that you speak of have very few which give to them.
We have an old minister in my church. He pastored a small church for many many years before handing it to the next pastor. He has no retirement. No savings. Nothing b/c his little church never got big enough to fun dthose sort of things. He is from the old school where you sank every penny into the work and and just truested God for the rest. He's now in poor health and he and his wife struggle to get by. THAT is who I will give to.
We have missionaries in INdis that are out of our church. They need support to stay over there. That is who I will give to.
I have a brother who just lost his house and he, my neice who lives with him and her infant son are on the verge of homelessness. THAT is who I will give to.
We have multiple seniors in church who just don't always have enough money to get by even with the Government assistance they recieve. They will go hungry without help. That is who I will give to.
These are the types that often go without and end up starving b/c so many people never give them a second thought. You just keep thinking "oh they have Feeral programs. They have food pantry's. They have family that will help". So you never give them a thought and they do without.
You want to say i am withut compassion b/c I'm not jumping on the "lets all help Haiti" bandwagon? Ok. You're free to do so. My compassion is very much alive and well. I just choose to take care of my own instead of those in another country. I am constantly giving $25 to $50 everytime I hear of some family in the church being in need. INcluding black families (I felt I should maybe point that out since at least two of you have been so classless as to make veiled racism accusations).
What, you think nobody else also gives to domestic needs?
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Give all you want. If it clears your conscience and makes you feel warm and fuzzy then go for it. But I hope you also remember that CNN and MSNBC aren't running 24/7 coverage of the people who are probably around you everyday that need help too but go unnoticed.
Our conscience? What about it? Do you know something about our consciences that we don't? And isn't there a better way (*cough*) of "clearing" it?
Look, there is nothing wrong with giving in whatever way you feel moved to give. Nothing wrong with giving to need X but not to need Y. Nobody can give to every worthy cause! But why talk about this particular cause as if it's way less worthy than others? Let everyone decide for themselves.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Bro. Nitehawk,
With all due respect, nothing reveals whats in the heart of a man like the words that come from his own mouth. First of all, a great number of Americas impoverished are in that condition by their own choice. Drugs, alcohol, and poor decisions put many of them where they are. Some are there because its easier to depend on the government and charitable groups to sustain them than to get out and find a job. So, while we "take care of own own", and, of course we should, are we really taking care of many of them them or are we enabling them to remain where they choose to be? I'm all for taking care of our own and those "stupid Hollywood types", as you call them, do more to help "their own they you or I will ever realize. Remember Willie Nelson and Farmaid? The country has more programs than I could ever name to "take care of its own". Churches and groups like the Red Cross and the Salvation Army are there to "take care of their own". "Our own" has help...if they choose to avail them selves of it.
they are more important People who were born in America are more important than "a bunch of people living on an island"? This reminds of James' discourse on respect of persons.
Jam 2:1 ¶ My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, [the Lord] of glory, with respect of persons.
Jam 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jam 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:
we get our own hous ein (sic) order. The fact is, we will never get our "house in order". Even Jesus said that: Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. The NIV says it this way: The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me. You and I can help Americas homeless and poor anytime we want to. But, "closing up our bowels of compassion" (1 John 3:17) in the face of Haiti's worst natural disaster to "care for own own"? John asked, so I will ask..."How can we say we have God's love is we close up our bowels of compassion toward those in desperate need?"
I'm not moved by the devastation in Haiti. Jesus was "moved with compassion" toward a hungry multitude. And you aren't moved by the suffering of the people of Haiti? Again, what a man says reveals whats in his heart. Rather than being "moved with compassion" toward the devastation in Haiti, you seem to be like 10 of the disciples who were "moved with indignation" against two of their own. That "bunch of Haitians" ARE our own, Brother. The Spirit of God moves us with compassion for those suffering. Its the flesh that moves us with indignation.
I was raised that you take care of your own first. I was raised that way too, Brother. Who cares about a "bunch of Haitians" Especially BLACK Haitians. Those bunch of devil worshippers probably deserved what they got. Yeah, I was raised that way. But, thankfully, I got saved. God changed me. Now I realize God isn't willing that any should perish and I'm not either. God help us all when we are no longer "moved by the devastation" of anyone in need.
I know this is long, and will go unread... but I just had to say it.
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I am going to be better than I am today....(Phil 1:6)
I read it too. The measure of a "desperate need" in completely in the eye of the beholder. The old minister in my church who knows he can't afford food and meds both is in just as desperate a situation as the haitian under a pile of rubble. They both are in life threatening situations.
Fox/CNN/MSNBC isn't setup outside the mans house telling us about how bad his situation is though so we don't all get emotional and throw money at him.
I received this email today - maybe you should pray it Niteman.
Lord, I just want to say THANK YOU, because this morning I woke up and knew where my children were. Because this morning my home was still standing, because this morning I am not crying because my husband, my child, my brother or sister needs to be buried out from underneath a pile of concrete, because this morning I was able to drink a glass of water, because this morning I was able to turn on the light, because this morning I was able to take a shower, because this morning I was not planning a funeral, but most of all I thank you this morning because I still have life and a voice to cry out for the people of Haiti.
Lord I cry out to you, the one that makes the impossible, possible, the one that turns darkness in to light, I cry out that you give those mothers strength, that you give them peace that surpasses all understanding, that you may open the streets so that help can come, that you may provide doctors, nurses, food, water, and all that they need in a blink of an eye. For all those that have lost family members, give them peace, give them hope, and give them courage to continue to go on!
Protect the children and shield them with your power. I pray all this in the name of Jesus, AMEN!!!
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Master of Science in Applied Disgruntled Religious Theorist Wrangling
PhD in Petulant Tantrum Quelling
Dean of the School of Hard Knocks
Haiti is without a government. To help out, the US will donate one Obama, one Pelosi, one Reid, one Frank, one Coakley, and two Clintons! They may keep them permanently. We'd give them a Constitution, but we can't find it right now.
excellent idea, yeah
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A product of a pentecostal raisin, I am a hard man, just ask my children
I received this email today - maybe you should pray it Niteman.
Lord, I just want to say THANK YOU, because this morning I woke up and knew where my children were. Because this morning my home was still standing, because this morning I am not crying because my husband, my child, my brother or sister needs to be buried out from underneath a pile of concrete, because this morning I was able to drink a glass of water, because this morning I was able to turn on the light, because this morning I was able to take a shower, because this morning I was not planning a funeral, but most of all I thank you this morning because I still have life and a voice to cry out for the people of Haiti.
Lord I cry out to you, the one that makes the impossible, possible, the one that turns darkness in to light, I cry out that you give those mothers strength, that you give them peace that surpasses all understanding, that you may open the streets so that help can come, that you may provide doctors, nurses, food, water, and all that they need in a blink of an eye. For all those that have lost family members, give them peace, give them hope, and give them courage to continue to go on!
Protect the children and shield them with your power. I pray all this in the name of Jesus, AMEN!!!
Who says I haven't prayed for the people going through this in Haiti? I have just said I will not send them one penny as long as our own country is full of people going hungry and homeless.
When tens of millions of people here start shooting $10 donations to help the starving and homeless here then maybe I will be more open to sending money to help foreign countries when the hype machine gets moving like it is for Haiti.
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