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rgcraig · #**451** 03-16-2010, 01:50 PM

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Hello and Praise the Lord,
I love this web site. I wrote the book, "My Hair, My Glory"...hey, if the witches won't cut their hair then why would an Apostolic want to? I hope anyone interested in this HAIR subject would write me to buy a copy of my book....I'll even ship for FREE. After reading all the facts, there is NO SHADOW OF DOUBT that a woman of God, who is LED of God must keep her hair UNCUT!!
God Bless you!
Juli Jasinski

contact me Pwrxtrem2@aol.com

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Pressing-On · #**452** 03-16-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I prefer the term "elevate" faith... increase the level of faith... same thing. I have no doubt that "focus faith" has the same connotations...

In defense of DKB, this is what I thought he was conveying - "elevate" faith meaning the same as "focus" faith.

But, I do agree with Prax that if our hair is the object, it then becomes a talisman.

Some women are focusing on the hair and some are focusing on their submission. It's a fine line, but I've been there, done that and even though I learned my hair was not going to get me out of the trial I was in, I was focusing on my obedience and submission and not necessarily my hair.

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Why not use the apostle's shadows? Or handkerchiefs? The issue of the hair is primarily the interpretation of 1 Cor 11:10... "for this cause ought a woman to have power on her head because of the angels"...

I don't believe you will find the verse focusing on hair in this instance, but her authority (head). Therefore, you need to go back, as has been stated, and find out the "cause" that allows her to have authority on her head. Hint: It has nothing to do with the angels.

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I Cor 11:7 "For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

(8) For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man.

(9) Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

(10) For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

Find out "for what cause", BD.

"For this cause ought (owed or obligated) the woman to have power on her head...."

If she is indebted, obligated or owes anything to anyone, it would have to be the man and not angels.

rgcraig · #**453** 03-16-2010, 01:56 PM

Bobby,

To read up a bit more on this and "catch up" to the rest of us you might want to read a few threads in The Debate area under Holy Hair.

rgcraig · #**454** 03-16-2010, 02:02 PM

Here's a thread from almost three years ago!

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...hlight=Witches

RandyWayne · #**455** 03-16-2010, 02:02 PM

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Hello and Praise the Lord,
I love this web site. I wrote the book, "My Hair, My Glory, My Precioussssssss!"...hey, if the witches won't cut their hair then why would an Apostolic want to? I hope anyone interested in this HAIR subject would write me to buy a copy of my book....I'll even ship for FREE. After reading all the facts, there is NO SHADOW OF DOUBT that a woman of God, who is LED of God must keep her hair UNCUT!!
God Bless you!
Juli Jasinski

contact me Pwrxtrem2@aol.com

No price given?

Pressing-On · #**456** 03-16-2010, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe you are the one that started the "focus faith"

I see this focus or elevated faith that you are thinking outloud about to be as non-Biblical as the power in the hair.

The focus faith I read about in the Bible is "where two or three are gathered.....and ask in my Name".....doesn't say and have uncut hair laid upon them or "elevated" faith.

I think you are tip-toeing in some dangerous waters.

He is getting that from DKB's position paper:

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There have been reports of women letting down their long hair as part of making a specific, urgent prayer request. If the idea was to obligate God to answer prayer or to create a new method of praying, then this action was misguided. If instead it was a spontaneous act to confirm their consecration, then it could have been a legitimate means of expressing and focusing faith. We can draw an analogy to the positioning of the sick so that Peter’s shadow would fall on them (Acts 5:15) and the use of handkerchiefs to pray for the sick (Acts 19:12). These practices were not mandatory and probably not even typical, but with a right understanding and intent they were acceptable in certain contexts.

I believe DKB's meaning here is to "elevate" or "take hold of" our faith. He couldn't mean making that the object or talisman as he wouldn't have said:
"If the idea was to obligate God to answer prayer or to create a new method of praying, then this action was misguided."

I see his point, but I wouldn't encourage using my hair to prove that I had faith. Living day to day is proof enough.

BobDylan · #**457** 03-16-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I believe you are the one that started the "focus faith"

I see this focus or elevated faith that you are thinking outloud about to be as non-Biblical as the power in the hair.

The focus faith I read about in the Bible is "where two or three are gathered.....and ask in my Name".....doesn't say and have uncut hair laid upon them or "elevated" faith.

I think you are tip-toeing in some dangerous waters.

I think "focus faith" is DKB verbiage... I may be wrong. I have probably said it, but my intent was the implication of "elevated faith". Faith, believing God for miracles, "gift of faith" that is above and beyond saving faith, are very biblical concepts... I think you are obscuring some very real areas of spirituality in the Christian walk.

rgcraig · #**458** 03-16-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He is getting that from DKB's position paper:

I believe DKB's meaning here is to "elevate" or "take hold of" our faith. He couldn't mean making that the object or talisman as he wouldn't have said:
"If the idea was to obligate God to answer prayer or to create a new method of praying, then this action was misguided."

I see his point, but I wouldn't encourage using my hair to prove that I had faith. Living day to day is proof enough.

I believe he did, but BD is the first one to tie "focused faith" to holy hair issue.

rgcraig · #**459** 03-16-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think "focus faith" is DKB verbiage... I may be wrong. I have probably said it, but my intent was the implication of "elevated faith". Faith, believing God for miracles, "gift of faith" that is above and beyond saving faith, are very biblical concepts... I think you are obscuring some very real areas of spirituality in the Christian walk.

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Michael Phelps · #**460** 03-16-2010, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

Pel, this statement was not made in integrity. How many times has LS referenced encyclopedias on witchcraft? I have only seen one single clip. Also, when I heard him recently, there was no allusion to witchcraft at all....

You clearly are rejecting the testimonies of anyone who claims to have received or observed such a miracle. I have already stated, I personally have met a young man who was in a tragic, near fatal auto accident. He was on the verge of having internal surgury that would have put him with a colostomy bag the rest of his life. A praying sister in the church went into his hospital room the night before some final tests before surgery, laid her hair out over the young man and prayed and wept. The tests the following day confirmed the situation had "reversed itself", and the young man is now in his early 20's living for God! I met both the woman and the young man personally. I also met the driver of the automobile, who was a pastor of a local church, all had the same testimony as well as hospital tests and documents to verify the situation. Now, if you're are on a witch hunt for the sake of witch hunt, no amount of provided "evidence" or testimony is going to satisfy you... if you have a discriminate but open mind about God's miracle working power, you may possibly concede that anything is a possibility with God. These are not witchcraft practitioners, they are fully regenerated apostolic believers.

BD, if I may present an observation here, you are asking us to believe your anectdotal story about this young man, and yet when Dizzy mentioned something she had heard with her own ears, you accused her of being "flagrantly defamatory, I believe........and making assumptions and "libelous statements".......when she was just relating personal experience to prove her point..........see why some of us are a bit confused?

You chastise us for "rejecting testimonies" of folks who were healed thru the laying on of the hair, it's only fair that we should ask you to offer the same proof that you ask of us when we relate stories of LS and his preaching.