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Old 03-16-2010, 01:38 PM
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Re: Read Segraves on "letting down hair"

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I have a problem with it, the reason is they are objectifying their own hair
Like handkerchiefs or shadows?

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Im also a little leary of phrases like "focus your faith" which is unbiblical.
I prefer the term "elevate" faith... increase the level of faith... same thing. I have no doubt that "focus faith" has the same connotations... Possibly the reason you are leary of this concept, is because it challenges assertions that nothing can be done to increase faith, no act of demonstration or anything... this challenges those who say that "laying out hair" or "handing out handkerchiefs" or "laying in shadows" does nothing for individual faith...

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Does a woman's hair somehow help them focus their faith more on Christ? How?
Does faith the grain of a mustard seed to move mountains focused on Christ? How? I think the issue is putting faith in the perspective to believe Christ's ability and willingness to perform the miracle. In these cases, it's as much about the present need, and seeing that need met, as it is about the person of Christ. All along the object of faith is Christ's ability, but the focus of faith is believing Christ's ability for that present need.

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Our faith should be In Him and Him alone...it seems that, even in "focusing" faith they are under the impression that hair has something to do with it. Why not use a sock? Clearly because they have been led to believe there is something special to do with HER hair.
Why not use the apostle's shadows? Or handkerchiefs? The issue of the hair is primarily the interpretation of 1 Cor 11:10... "for this cause ought a woman to have power on her head because of the angels"...

Scripture elevates the object of hair at least to the level of demonstrative faithfulness, by giving a half-chapter of instruction regarding it. Scripture does this...

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Can I rub my short hair and expect a miracle?
Go for it!

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All these examples really sound like objectifying woman's hair...it also sounds proud or even boastful.
Maybe... but it doesn't have to be...

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That might be where the "magic" comes into play in the accusations. In fact it could be idolatry. Jews had that problem with Aaron's rod. Catholics objectify relics and expect miracles. They objectify statues and expect miracles. They objectify water from Lourdes
First century disciples had the problem of Peter's shadow, and Paul's handkerchiefs...

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Magic practioners use talismans not just because they think

Focus talisman

A talisman is an object, often a crystal or gemstone, that has a specific ability to aid a person in focusing and amplifying his or her power. A talisman is not a lucky rock. The power of a talisman is its ability to aid you in achieving the future you desire.

A talisman is both a focus and a natural amplifier.

A talisman is an amplifier of the Universal Life Force

As an amplifier, a talisman brings you the ability to join with the power and energy of the Universal Life Force and the Life Force of this planet. This power and energy serve to multiply your own individual efforts. A talisman is, in a way, similar to a flashlight.
http://www.crystalvaults.com/pages/talismans.php


When I hear or read these "examples" this is what comes to mind.



The bible never speaks of her hair being for that.


It never gave examples of being used for that

Peter's shadow, and Paul's handkerchiefs were clearly talismans.... Good one Prax! Instead of finding a moderated approach, it has to be either one extreme or the other.. as the pendulum swings, so goes human nature...
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