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Old 04-07-2010, 12:05 PM
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I did engage what you wrote! You said that baptism forgives sins! But you gotta admit that my "prune" line was pretty funny!
Saying "baptism forgives sins" can be misleading.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:08 PM
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Really to be truly saved you must repeat the whole 10 step process over again...Because once you sin you are lost again so you must repeat the whole process over again..Cause if you sin then you don't have the Holyghost so therefore you have to go get the Holyghost again speak in tongues repent,baptised again the whole nine yards..
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:12 PM
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Saying "baptism forgives sins" can be misleading.
Would you prefer, "Forgiveness takes place at baptism"?
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:16 PM
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Wait I thought Forgiveness took place at Repentance...So what does the water do....
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:35 PM
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You can't be serious. Am I on Candid Camera?? Is someone going to jump out from behind a curtain and say, "Gotcha" and laugh at me for arguing with you about this stuff?

So did God change His mind? I don't know. Maybe it's better to say He "entered a mew phase" or "transitioned in the way He operated as part of an eternal divine plan." Whatever. I'll let you figure that out.

But am I to believe that you do the Guilt Offering, the Sin Offering, Burnt Offering, and that you have a pen full of goats and bulls to use for your sacrifices?

Do you shave? That's forbidden (Lev 19:27). Do you stone women for getting married and bleeding on their wedding night?

I must be on Candid Camera.
hmmm so the OT speaks nothing of righteousness at all anymore. hmmm interesting. Considering Paul says different. So God's natural law of design and order unto purpose changed? Sorry but that doesn't change nor can it until heaven and earth pass away. Man was created for something as was woman. The creative order of God is complete and all is good for it's purpose and provided to us to know by his Word and through prayer.

So you basically make fun of God's law at the expense of justifying your position? Everything has a purpose and was ordained of God. Some as type and shadow and other as pure light. Somethings as in procedures change but those are based upon reality and shadow/type thus not done away but realized more perfectly in another way. Just as passover is seen more perfectly now but not done away. Why would you need to offer those offerings? They are but shadow and type. Though you could offer a offering unto God if you choose but a sin offering would not be about sin but rememberance and seeing the realization of Christ in it. Everything you do in life points to him and is honored by God when the heart is toward him in truth. Thus why Jews and James still did those things after the D,B,R and the Jews where zealous for the law. Why because they honored it from the heart and what it symbolized.

concerning those things.... why would we not do them or why would we. You explain why they are exempted?

So when you ask God about health and treating yoru body right I guess you ignore what food was best and what he said about food right?
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Wait I thought Forgiveness took place at Repentance...So what does the water do....

You're gonna have to talk with Mizpeh on that one. I get all these heresies confused!
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Well if one says baptism forgives sin...then everytime you sin you must get rebaptised so you can get the sin removed...If one was to say that...
KWS I have explained this to you before and you still bring up your lame reasoning.
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You're gonna have to talk with Mizpeh on that one. I get all these heresies confused!
So is John 15 and the conditions to abide in Christ forensic or intrinsic to salvation?
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Lame reasoning...Do explain please....
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:41 PM
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Lame reasoning...Do explain please....
you FAIL to realize the whole of what repentance is. It is turning to God and away from sin. A unbeliever TURNS OBEYS CHRIST COMMAND and is baptized to be IN HIM and in COVENANT! How does a person THAT IS IN COVENANT have sins forgiven. JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TIME HE OBEYS THE COMMAND to turn from sin and he will abide again unto life. The difference is one who is not IN covenant and coming INTO vs the one who is IN covenant and has covenant promises already given and citizenship established and rights realized. BIG DIFFERENCE!
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