The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save - Page 67

notofworks · #**661** 04-07-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

ohh that's right... now we have salvation WITHOUT repentance at all. SHAZAM there ya go! I mean he was accessing the New Covenant right? Oh of course... I mean the testator was still alive and was not resurrected yet.... thus he has access to it right?

No, no. The thief certainly DID repent! He very much repented.

TheLegalist · #**662** 04-07-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

So according to the New testament what would Jo have to do to be saved again...

reeaaaaaaallllly you ask this after ALL I have written.... LOL!

TheLegalist · #**663** 04-07-2010, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

No, no. The thief certainly DID repent! He very much repented.

seeems KWS doesn't think so. I would say he did but hey... Still not under the NC.

Jeffrey · #**664** 04-07-2010, 01:44 PM

TheLegalist seems to think the New Covenant was literally something brand-new, rather than seeing the coming Messiah connected as part of a faithful plan of God to bring about salvation for the entire world. The cross was not a Plan B. When you use words like "accessing" a covenant, and require the so-called "testator" to have to be dead and resurrected before The Messiah, as the Son of God, has Sovereign Power to save whom he wants to save.

The Thieves on the cross have always been treated with contempt by 3-Steppers, and I don't blame them. They risk their entire worldview crumbling. This is where they cling to Darby and Scofield's twisted Dispensationalist theology.

KWSS1976 · #**665** 04-07-2010, 01:55 PM

The thief did not out right ask for forgiveness is what I was saying...He just said this day remember me...or something to that effect

TheLegalist · #**666** 04-07-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

TheLegalist seems to think the New Covenant was literally something brand-new, rather than seeing the coming Messiah connected as part of a faithful plan of God to bring about salvation for the entire world. The cross was not a Plan B. When you use words like "accessing" a covenant, and require the so-called "testator" to have to be dead and resurrected before The Messiah, as the Son of God, has Sovereign Power to save whom he wants to save.

The Thieves on the cross have always been treated with contempt by 3-Steppers, and I don't blame them. They risk their entire worldview crumbling. This is where they cling to Darby and Scofield's twisted Dispensationalist theology.

nice, poor reading and comprehension skills. You should know by now and stop skewing what I have said all along. The new covenant was based upon that which was old but realized through the death and quickening Spirit of Christ.

I have no problem with the theif on the cross not contempt. He was under what he was under.

Jeffrey · #**667** 04-07-2010, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

nice, poor reading and comprehension skills. You should know by now and stop skewing what I have said all along. The new covenant was based upon that which was old but realized through the death and quickening Spirit of Christ.

I have no problem with the theif on the cross not contempt. He was under what he was under.

"under what he was under"
Scriptural language here?

TheLegalist · #**668** 04-07-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

"under what he was under"
Scriptural language here?

he was under the old covenant...

mfblume · #**669** 04-07-2010, 02:35 PM

The thief was not in a day when atonement had already been made. Atonement was not made until after Christ arose the third day and ascended to the holiest in Heaven.

At any rate, Jesus told the disciples at least 43 days after the thief died to BEGIN preaching repentance and remission of sins in His name at Jerusalem after the received the power from on high, which is Spirit Baptism. And they BEGAN preaching that message on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:38. Why preach something else?

TheLegalist · #**670** 04-07-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

The thief was not in a day when atonement had already been made. Atonement was not made until after Christ arose the third day and ascended to the holiest in Heaven.

At any rate, Jesus told the disciples at least 43 days after the thief died to BEGIN preaching repentance and remission of sins in His name at Jerusalem after the received the power from on high, which is Spirit Baptism. And they BEGAN preaching that message on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:38. Why preach something else?

Mike... they don't want to get it. That's the thing. They have false views of works/law etc... which then goes and floods over to poor views of atonement and baptism, judgment and covenant requirements unto eternal life.