The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[KWSS1976]

Ok jo goes to church goes and repents gets baptised filled with the Holyghost with the evidence that you guys look for... Ok jo goes postal at work kills his coworkers the next day..Ok at this point what does he have to do to be back into God Grace or saved again

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Ok jo goes to church goes and repents gets baptised filled with the Holyghost with the evidence that you guys look for... Ok jo goes postal at work kills his coworkers..Ok at this point what does he have to do to be back into God Grace or saved again

wow... real hard...

The law of repentance....


Eze 18:5 "Suppose a man is righteous. He practices what is just and right,
Eze 18:6 does not eat pagan sacrifices on the mountains4 or pray to the idols5 of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife, does not have sexual relations with a6 woman during her period,
Eze 18:7 does not oppress anyone, but gives the debtor back whatever was given in pledge,7 does not commit robbery,8 but gives his bread to the hungry and clothes the naked,
Eze 18:8 does not engage in usury or charge interest,9 but refrains10 from wrongdoing, promotes true justice11 between men,
Eze 18:9 and follows my statutes and observes my regulations by carrying them out.12 That man13 is righteous; he will certainly live,14 declares the sovereign LORD.
Eze 18:10 "Suppose such a man has15 a violent son who sheds blood and does any of these things16 mentioned previously
Eze 18:11 (though the father did not do any of them).17 He eats pagan sacrifices on the mountains,18 defiles his neighbor's wife,
Eze 18:12 oppresses the poor and the needy,19 commits robbery, does not give back what was given in pledge, prays to20 idols, performs abominable acts,
Eze 18:13 engages in usury and charges interest. Will he live? He will not! Because he has done all these abominable deeds he will certainly die.21 He will bear the responsibility for his own death.22
Eze 18:14 "But suppose he in turn has a son who notices all the sins his father commits, considers them, and does not follow his father's example.23
Eze 18:15 He does not eat pagan sacrifices on the mountains, does not pray to the idols of the house of Israel, does not defile his neighbor's wife,
Eze 18:16 does not oppress anyone or keep what has been given in pledge, does not commit robbery, gives his food to the hungry, and clothes the naked,
Eze 18:17 refrains from wrongdoing,24 does not engage in usury or charge interest, carries out my regulations and follows my statutes. He will not die for his father's iniquity;25 he will surely live.
Eze 18:18 As for his father, because he practices extortion, robs his brother, and does what is not good among his people, he will die for his iniquity.
Eze 18:19 "Yet you say, 'Why should the son not suffer26 for his father's iniquity?' When the son does what is just and right, and observes all my statutes and carries them out, he will surely live.
Eze 18:20 The person who sins is the one who will die. A son will not suffer27 for his father's iniquity, and a father will not suffer28 for his son's iniquity; the righteous person will be judged according to his righteousness, and the wicked person according to his wickedness.29
Eze 18:21 "But if the wicked person turns from all the sin he has committed and observes all my statutes and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die.
Eze 18:22 None of the sins he has committed will be held30 against him; because of the righteousness he has done, he will live.
Eze 18:23 Do I actually delight in the death of the wicked, declares the sovereign LORD? Do I not prefer that he turn from his wicked conduct and live?
Eze 18:24 "But if a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and practices wrongdoing according to all the abominable practices the wicked carry out, will he live? All his righteous acts will not be remembered; because of the unfaithful acts he has done and the sin he has committed, he will die.31

continued in the NT

1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.

[KWSS1976]

Why are you in the old testament??? We are talking new testament

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Why are you in the old testament??? We are talking new testament

I John 2:1

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Why are you in the old testament??? We are talking new testament

and here is the issue... as usual protestant types don't understand that the foundational teaching OR "schooling" comes from the OT. God has laws by which he operates and THEY DON'T CHANGE! The whole of Jesus actions and response are based on the OT which WAS HIS LAW GIVEN AT SINAI! Are you calling Jesus ignorant of his own covenants? Are you saying the basis of all God's law is contrary to each other? Well "MARCION" you are alive and well!

2Ti 3:15 and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
2Ti 3:17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

Jesus teachings was BASED off of the OT and is consistent WITH IT as I have pointed out a million times on here. Give or take several hundred thousand.

[KWSS1976]

But you will be the first one to say that the thief on the cross his salvation does not work today...Cause basically all he did is repent he did not even do that..He just ask jesus to remember him....and what did Jesus tell him....but when a one stepper brings it up what would you say....

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Leg.. they all dressed the same back then...so you will have to do better then that....

oh of course.... we have God again being stupid and giving laws for the heck of it that never had any real application or meaning. Heck you couldn't tell the difference at all. God you just love to play around and just like making us do things without any regard or meaning for anyone. Ha.... what a God!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

But you will be the first one to say that the thief on the cross his salvation does not work today...Cause basically all he did is repent he did not even do that..He just ask jesus to remember him....and what did Jesus tell him....but when a one stepper brings it up what would you say....

ohh that's right... now we have salvation WITHOUT repentance at all. SHAZAM there ya go! I mean he was accessing the New Covenant right? Oh of course... I mean the testator was still alive and was not resurrected yet.... thus he has access to it right?

[KWSS1976]

So according to the New testament what would Jo have to do to be saved again...

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

hmmm so the OT speaks nothing of righteousness at all anymore. hmmm interesting. Considering Paul says different. So God's natural law of design and order unto purpose changed? Sorry but that doesn't change nor can it until heaven and earth pass away. Man was created for something as was woman. The creative order of God is complete and all is good for it's purpose and provided to us to know by his Word and through prayer.

So you basically make fun of God's law at the expense of justifying your position? Everything has a purpose and was ordained of God. Some as type and shadow and other as pure light. Somethings as in procedures change but those are based upon reality and shadow/type thus not done away but realized more perfectly in another way. Just as passover is seen more perfectly now but not done away. Why would you need to offer those offerings? They are but shadow and type. Though you could offer a offering unto God if you choose but a sin offering would not be about sin but rememberance and seeing the realization of Christ in it. Everything you do in life points to him and is honored by God when the heart is toward him in truth. Thus why Jews and James still did those things after the D,B,R and the Jews where zealous for the law. Why because they honored it from the heart and what it symbolized.

concerning those things.... why would we not do them or why would we. You explain why they are exempted?

So when you ask God about health and treating yoru body right I guess you ignore what food was best and what he said about food right?

This makes no sense. It's hard to even respond. There's not an ounce of logic, theology, or reason to it. So just answer the simple questions I asked...do you observe all the law and if not, which do you obey and why? How do you choose which part of the law to follow and which to ignore?

You've totally caught me off guard with this genetic/law/food stuff. I'm used to the step stuff, but this? Wow. I'd have to imagine you're all alone on this one, unless you enroll on a Seventh Day Adventist forum.