The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[KWSS1976]

There was blind Bartimaeus..He had blind faith....God healed him....lol

[KWSS1976]

He had to have Blind faith cause he could not see Jesus.....

[TheLegalist]

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Yes he does but salvation comes with requirements!

So He'll save only those who deserve to be saved?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So He'll save only those who deserve to be saved?

he will save the faithful.... pretty clear what scripture says just like Abraham. God gives mercy to the humble and resists the proud. hmmm sounds pretty conditional to me.

you don't understand Heb 5:9? Why do you fight scripture?

[TheLegalist]

I will ask this again from post 690....

Is Christs command only forensic or intrinsic to salvation and eternal life?

oh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.
Joh 15:7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
Joh 15:8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.
Joh 15:9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.
Joh 15:10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Joh 15:11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.
Joh 15:12 "This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Joh 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lays down his life for his friends.
Joh 15:14 You are my friends if you do what I command you.
Joh 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
Joh 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
Joh 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another.


What about
Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,

What about obedience?

Mat 10:38 And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Mat 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

Losing your life completely?

Mat 19:16 And behold, a man came up to him, saying, "Teacher, what good deed must I do to have eternal life?"
Mat 19:17 And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments."
Mat 19:18 He said to him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
Mat 19:19 Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Mat 19:20 The young man said to him, "All these I have kept. What do I still lack?"
Mat 19:21 Jesus said to him, "If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me."

What about keep the commandments and negating all to follow Christ.

Joh 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

obeying?

Rom 2:6 He14 will reward 15 each one according to his works :16
Rom 2:7 eternal life to those who by perseverance in good works seek glory and honor and immortality,


what about BY perserverance in good works?

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

What about commandments?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

he will save the faithful.... pretty clear what scripture says just like Abraham. God gives mercy to the humble and resists the proud. hmmm sounds pretty conditional to me.

you don't understand Heb 5:9? Why do you fight scripture?

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Whew, got some catching up to do here! So many posts.



Anything, that occurred before the cross is one bracket of its own, including law, promise and Adam and Eve. And the HEART is the important factor. I already said this, which should cover all issues of this topic, but when God sees the heart that has the kind of faith THAT WORKS, it is the faith that works that saves.

It's the same situation as in the case of the hypothetical picture of someone who repented and is intent on getting baptized in obedience and dies on the way to church. Their heart had faith that works. That heart's faith was going to do something. That one is saved. Same with the thief. Jesus saw the heart of that man that had faith that works. He was saved.

It's so simple, but like Mizpeh said, so many here are missing the obvious issue that faith saves, but it is faith that works that saves, and not any other kind of faith.



No I am not. Baptism is part of salvation. I made that clear.



No, I said that anything required to be DONE before the cross was a shadow of repentance and baptism that is REQUIRED AFTER THE CROSS. And these are not done by way of works without faith, but rather faith that works.

If it's the intention of faith, wouldn't the mean God grants salvation at faith, whether or not the "works" have played themselves out? It's the heart-level faith that saves. Not just intentionality for specific commands, but a heart that trusts God... and if you trust God, you will also be willing to do anything for that God. You are saying basically what we are saying.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

sigh... which you still fail to understand. THe cross does not save anyone by itself. Grace does not save by itself as (that was the grace) The Cross is the source by which the NC could come about. Does the "cross" ONLY compose the NC? NO! You are denying the cross as the cross is not just about CHrist BUT OUR CROSS AS WELL IN THE COVENANT! Also the resurrection is negated by your statement. We are not SAVED until the END. We are in covenant to obtain when he saves/rescues us from "sin" UNTO ETERNAL LIFE by which we SEEK TO OBTAIN! Salvation is not about a moment in time but the fulness of life judged and whether we are IN HIM!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

oh and by the way... I am a nice guy!