Deadeye, I wish you posted more because you're fun. But when did I say the bible was not the infallible Word of God?
Here we are....
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Originally Posted by notofworks
I disagree. Pelathias explained it very well. Inspired? Yes. Infallible? No.
For it to be "Infallible" we are believing that translators are as inspired as the original authors. At that point, which translators were inspired and which weren't? The KJV people? The NIV? The NLT? There's a long list. Did ALL the translators get it right? Some of them? Who's completely inspired and who isn't?
And there are the scribal additions that are almost certainly a part of the bible we have. Were those additions inspired that made their way into the manuscripts?
I accept the bible, as a whole, that we have. My favorite translation is the original New Living Translation. I don't care as much for the Second Edition, but it's getting hard to find the original.
Yes, I was speaking of translations. Are you saying that our current translations are "Infallible"? If so, which one? All of them? One of them? A few of them? How did you come to that decision? If you believe that one or all of our current translations are "Infallible" you are putting yourself in the right-wing wacko fringe groups that live in Montana or maybe Steven Anderson from Phoenix (look him up, you might enjoy him).
I believe the writings themselves were infallible. We don't have them.
From an earlier post to which I referred in using a typo...
Anyway, the righteousness that exceeds that of the pharisees is God's righteousness.
There is a missing factor there, though. Righteousness brings salvation if it is God's righteousness being imputed to us. I mean, right standing with God (righteousness) saves us! It's just that self cannot produce that kind of righteousness, for as you stated, self righteousness is as filthy rags.
So are you implying that the example you gave, which was "getting rid of sin in your life" so that you could "Get the Holy Ghost" (your view of the completed process of salvation), was a righteousness that God imputed to you? Would that eliminating of sin been a "right standing with God"?
So are you implying that the example you gave, which was "getting rid of sin in your life" so that you could "Get the Holy Ghost" (your view of the completed process of salvation), was a righteousness that God imputed to you?
Not at all. There is no way getting rid of sin can give me God's righteousness by that act alone and no other factor. But the truth is God refuses to give us His righteousness if we are unwilling to release sin.
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Would that eliminating of sin been a "right standing with God"?
No. But it allows for God to grant us right standing. That is what I was trying to say about our hands being full disabling us from receiving something from another person. In this case if our hands hold sin, they are not open to receive the gift of righteousness from God. Emptying our hands does not make us righteous. Emptying our hands allows God to give us the free gift of righteousness.
This is a basic principle. God will not impute righteousness while we desire and are involved in sin. That is the reason that after Adam ate the forbidden fruit God said, Adam had to leave the Garden LEST HE ALSO take of the fruit of life. We cannot mingle unrighteousness with righteousness. Romans 1 says wrath is reserved for those who hold truth in unrighteousness.
Ridding ourselves of sin is in no way a manner of working our way to righteousness. If it were, then it would not be a case of God imputing righteousness top us, but us contriving SELF righteousness.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Yes, I was speaking of translations. Are you saying that our current translations are "Infallible"? If so, which one? All of them? One of them? A few of them? How did you come to that decision? If you believe that one or all of our current translations are "Infallible" you are putting yourself in the right-wing wacko fringe groups that live in Montana or maybe Steven Anderson from Phoenix (look him up, you might enjoy him).
I believe the writings themselves were infallible. We don't have them.
I realize that there are variations and differences in translations.....and i also realize that some are better than others. However i believe that what has been delivered to us is the Infallible Word of God, and that it is our responsibility to "rightly divide the Word"
Sure there are things and scriptures that need research to have a better understanding, but when we start questioning the Flood, sun standing still, etc...we might as well throw the whole thing out....we can strive to understand it better but to selectively discount portions of the Bible is a slippery slope that ends in apostasy.
I realize that there are variations and differences in translations.....and i also realize that some are better than others. However i believe that what has been delivered to us is the Infallible Word of God, and that it is our responsibility to "rightly divide the Word"
Sure there are things and scriptures that need research to have a better understanding, but when we start questioning the Flood, sun standing still, etc...we might as well throw the whole thing out....we can strive to understand it better but to selectively discount portions of the Bible is a slippery slope that ends in apostasy.
Which Bible is infallible?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
The strain of the Received Text, or Textus Receptus for the NT, and the Massoretic text of the OT, I believe, personally.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Infallibly copied and translated from the originals?
From the originals to the Greek TR and Hebrew OT, yes.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
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