Holiness Is Still Important - Page 22

GraceAmazing · #**211** 05-26-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

So according to you, Paul's letters should've contained specific instructions for hair length.

"A man's hair is to be such and such length."

When God spoke to Moses and told him to keep the people away from the mountain, how did Moses know where the mountain started? God doesn't always deal in specifics, but He does give instruction. So, when Moses set up the boundaries, how did he know that set them up right? Well, I don't read about any people that died by touching mountain, so I guess he must've done something right.

In a way, I agree with everyone out there that is saying that we need to study scriptures like this. I have read various articles and commentaries, both for and against long hair on men/women. There are a lot of opinions out there and the only way that you're going to find the truth is to pray before you study such matters and allow God to convict you.

So, I guess what I'm saying is this. You cut your hair and I'll keep mine short. I can't make you believe like I do, but I did want to share my convictions. This is what I believe and I will continue to stand by it. Thanks for the debate though, and I am open to more discussion.

I am not trying to be rude, nor am I trying to belittle your convictions...but this statement is very contradictory to your standards...why is it that you're okay with stating that 1 Cor. 11 is very specific for the women (i.e. uncut = long), but you will not go there for the men when Paul discusses short...

You are leaving the scripture open for the definition for the men, but not for the women....somehow that seems very odd...JMHO

allstate1 · #**212** 05-26-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

I see. So let me see if I a understanding you correctly. As long as a woman doesn't look like a harlot...she's okay? Interesting. I suppose that you take the same approach to modesty as well. A harlot wore make up. What is your opinion on make up? Stay consistent. BTW, I do commend you for your Bible knowledge. At least your using Biblical history to back up your point.

Ok please tell me what a harlot looks like! I mean can you pick one out at the mall?!

POWERUP · #**213** 05-26-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Ok please tell me what a harlot looks like! I mean can you pick one out at the mall?!

Heck No!! I have known a few in the church in the Past 38 Yrs. Don't
forget a man could be one too!!

Bet ya didn't see that one coming!!

192281 · #**214** 05-26-2010, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Should a woman's hair even today be long enough so she is not confused with prostitutes etc. of the 1st Century?

Exactly...I dont walk down the street and see women with cut hair, makeup, and pants and think they must be a Prostitute and if anyone else does then they have serious problems. Our culture is different than what it was...we don't correlate these things with prostitution.

Justin · #**215** 05-26-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

Right. If long means to let grow as long as possible, then short means to keep as short as possible, resulting in daily shavings.

Long cannot be defined as "static" while short is defined as "dynamic". Be consistant!

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Originally Posted by GraceAmazing

I am not trying to be rude, nor am I trying to belittle your convictions...but this statement is very contradictory to your standards...why is it that you're okay with stating that 1 Cor. 11 is very specific for the women (i.e. uncut = long), but you will not go there for the men when Paul discusses short...

You are leaving the scripture open for the definition for the men, but not for the women....somehow that seems very odd...JMHO

My point exactly, GA.

*AQuietPlace* · #**216** 05-26-2010, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Apocrypha

good point. +1

Thanks for coming along and speaking up, Justin. Now I don't have to come back and type out my opinion on the verses, like I said I would try to do.

Just "ditto Justin".

proudfather · #**217** 05-26-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

You seemed to have missed my last three words: ..."of that day".

Culture and context.

The principle we should gleam from this section of scripture is that women should be careful not to shame their head: husbands. (as in the text, not wearing a covering, or having a shaved head) while men should not do anything that would shame our head: Christ.

You didn't answer my question about make up. Nice side step. Culture and context are important, but was Paul addressing women that had shaved their head because of their culture? He wasn't just speaking to Jewish people you know.

Pressing-On · #**218** 05-26-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

The Greek for uncut is akoptos.

It seems that if Paul meant "uncut" he would have used it because the word was at his dispense at that time, rather than simply saying "long" , especially since the Corinthians had little to no knowledge regarding Jewish laws, customs and traditions that they *should* be following the inbred teaching of Jewish women not cutting their hair, as pointed out by some.

This is why, Newman, posted way back on FCF that she didn't see why Paul would reach "outside" the Greek to define "long" when there was a word available for "uncut".

proudfather · #**219** 05-26-2010, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by GraceAmazing

I am not trying to be rude, nor am I trying to belittle your convictions...but this statement is very contradictory to your standards...why is it that you're okay with stating that 1 Cor. 11 is very specific for the women (i.e. uncut = long), but you will not go there for the men when Paul discusses short...

You are leaving the scripture open for the definition for the men, but not for the women....somehow that seems very odd...JMHO

Hey GA. I will answer this question as soon as I can. I'm pretty busy right now. Gotta love the end of the month.

rgcraig · #**220** 05-26-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by proudfather

I see. So let me see if I a understanding you correctly. As long as a woman doesn't look like a harlot...she's okay? Interesting. I suppose that you take the same approach to modesty as well. A harlot wore make up. What is your opinion on make up? Stay consistent. BTW, I do commend you for your Bible knowledge. At least your using Biblical history to back up your point.

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Ok please tell me what a harlot looks like! I mean can you pick one out at the mall?!

This is what happens when you take a teaching that was for what was going on at the time and try to fit it into our times now.

Harlots now don't have shaved heads.