Please define long then. If Paul is not speaking about uncut hair, then how must we go about obeying this scripture? We must obey the scripture because:
2 Timothy 3:16 (New International Version)
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
So, what do you teach? Just curious.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
"Long Hair" comes from one word simply means "to wear long hair" or "to let the hair grow". Nothing in the text or the context suggests that to trim the hair is a sin.
The Greek for uncut is akoptos.
It seems that if Paul meant "uncut" he would have used it because the word was at his dispense at that time, rather than simply saying "long" , especially since the Corinthians had little to no knowledge regarding Jewish laws, customs and traditions that they *should* be following the inbred teaching of Jewish women not cutting their hair, as pointed out by some.
It seems that if Paul meant "uncut" he would have used it because the word was at his dispense at that time, rather than simply saying "long" , especially since the Corinthians had little to no knowledge regarding Jewish laws, customs and traditions that they *should* be following the inbred teaching of Jewish women not cutting their hair, as pointed out by some.
It seems that if Paul meant "uncut" he would have used it because the word was at his dispense at that time, rather than simply saying "long" , especially since the Corinthians had little to no knowledge regarding Jewish laws, customs and traditions that they *should* be following the inbred teaching of Jewish women not cutting their hair, as pointed out by some.
So I ask the question again; how long is long? If Paul didn't mean uncut, then why didn't he give a specific length? Long to one person would be considered short by another person...
So I ask the question again; how long is long? If Paul didn't mean uncut, then why didn't he give a specific length? Long to one person would be considered short by another person...
Well, for men, long is often interpreted as being past the earline or the collar. He didn't give a specific length for "short" either and nobody makes that difficult.
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So I ask the question again; how long is long? If Paul didn't mean uncut, then why didn't he give a specific length? Long to one person would be considered short by another person...
I think we need to first focus on WHY a woman's LONG hair would be her glory.
If we look at the context and the culture that was plaguing the Corinthian Christians we notice, and history proves this, that it was in fact a shame for a woman to hair a shaved head.
Having a shaved head meant that a woman either:
1. Was a pagan worshiper, offering her hair to false gods, specifically Aphrodite.
2. Was caught in adultery, and had her head shaved as a result, a common custom of the day resulting in humiliation.
3. Was a prostitute, the adultery would have been grounds for a shaven head, as well as to deal with lice, as prostitutes typically had a much lower hygienic standard.
Therefore, if a woman had long hair, this meant she was neither of these people! She was proper and not immodest. Hence the connection between veil wearing and hair. If a woman did not wear a veil or a covering, she was deemed immodest by society's standards. (Dishonors her head [husband] if not covered)
Sure, we can twist scripture to fit our agenda and look "outside of the Greek" to redefine words, but lets stick to God's agenda and read it for what it says.
So to answer your question, I would say "Long enough not to be associated with the pagans, harlots and adulterers of that day".
Well, for men, long is often interpreted as being past the earline or the collar. He didn't give a specific length for "short" either and nobody makes that difficult.
Right. If long means to let grow as long as possible, then short means to keep as short as possible, resulting in daily shavings.
Long cannot be defined as "static" while short is defined as "dynamic". Be consistant!
I think we need to first focus on WHY a woman's LONG hair would be her glory.
If we look at the context and the culture that was plaguing the Corinthian Christians we notice, and history proves this, that it was in fact a shame for a woman to hair a shaved head.
Having a shaved head meant that a woman either:
1. Was a pagan worshiper, offering her hair to false gods, specifically Aphrodite.
2. Was caught in adultery, and had her head shaved as a result, a common custom of the day resulting in humiliation.
3. Was a prostitute, the adultery would have been grounds for a shaven head, as well as to deal with lice, as prostitutes typically had a much lower hygienic standard.
Therefore, if a woman had long hair, this meant she was neither of these people! She was proper and not immodest. Hence the connection between veil wearing and hair. If a woman did not wear a veil or a covering, she was deemed immodest by society's standards. (Dishonors her head [husband] if not covered)
Sure, we can twist scripture to fit our agenda and look "outside of the Greek" to redefine words, but lets stick to God's agenda and read it for what it says.
So to answer your question, I would say "Long enough not to be associated with the pagans, harlots and adulterers of that day".
Should a woman's hair even today be long enough so she is not confused with prostitutes etc. of the 1st Century?
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I think we need to first focus on WHY a woman's LONG hair would be her glory.
If we look at the context and the culture that was plaguing the Corinthian Christians we notice, and history proves this, that it was in fact a shame for a woman to hair a shaved head.
Having a shaved head meant that a woman either:
1. Was a pagan worshiper, offering her hair to false gods, specifically Aphrodite.
2. Was caught in adultery, and had her head shaved as a result, a common custom of the day resulting in humiliation.
3. Was a prostitute, the adultery would have been grounds for a shaven head, as well as to deal with lice, as prostitutes typically had a much lower hygienic standard.
Therefore, if a woman had long hair, this meant she was neither of these people! She was proper and not immodest. Hence the connection between veil wearing and hair. If a woman did not wear a veil or a covering, she was deemed immodest by society's standards. (Dishonors her head [husband] if not covered)
Sure, we can twist scripture to fit our agenda and look "outside of the Greek" to redefine words, but lets stick to God's agenda and read it for what it says.
So to answer your question, I would say "Long enough not to be associated with the pagans, harlots and adulterers of that day".
I see. So let me see if I a understanding you correctly. As long as a woman doesn't look like a harlot...she's okay? Interesting. I suppose that you take the same approach to modesty as well. A harlot wore make up. What is your opinion on make up? Stay consistent. BTW, I do commend you for your Bible knowledge. At least your using Biblical history to back up your point.
Should a woman's hair even today be long enough so she is not confused with prostitutes etc. of the 1st Century?
Culture, my friend.
Unless we REALLY want an OLD TIME PENTECOST... but that would require male and female to wear robes, and men to have beards, we couldn't fellowship with ourselves.
I see. So let me see if I a understanding you correctly. As long as a woman doesn't look like a harlot...she's okay? Interesting. I suppose that you take the same approach to modesty as well. A harlot wore make up. What is your opinion on make up? Stay consistent. BTW, I do commend you for your Bible knowledge. At least your using Biblical history to back up your point.
You seemed to have missed my last three words: ..."of that day".
Culture and context.
The principle we should gleam from this section of scripture is that women should be careful not to shame their head: husbands. (as in the text, not wearing a covering, or having a shaved head) while men should not do anything that would shame our head: Christ.
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