New Bar at Gound Zero

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Yes, he does sidestep the obvious answer to denounce them, but I can see where he is coming from. He is straddling two worlds, and wants to be a peace maker between them.

But, he never sidesteps anything else, huh?

BTW, that is one of the major reasons the majority of people don't believe in a moderate Muslim and why I can say that I have not seen ENOUGH moderates speak out against the radicals. So, with you saying, he is being a peace maker - NO - he is being an appeaser.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He answered it the first time he was asked:

"As far as the funding, it is coming from our communities."

Maybe your narrow constrict of the word means just your immediate geographical community, but using the term "our communities" gives broad latitude to include any and all Muslim communities, both here and abroad. Nothing deceptive about that.

I am not for or against him. I had not even heard of him until a few days ago.

I simply do not like prejudice. I do not like people spreading falsehoods and deceptions about issues to try and scare other people. It is a low form of discourse, and honest people, much less proclaimed Christians, should not partake in it. Either have hard evidence to back up claims, or don't claim them.

The video gave the distinct impression that he meant America when he said "communities". He specifically said, ""We have people who are very successful members of this community, of the American community, of this financial community." Rauf

Later, overseas, his story changes. He is not representing honesty. This isn't falsehoods and scare tactics. It is the truth. And I see how easy it was for you to gloss over my video of what is going on in Minnesota with Sharia law and the population there, along with, Sharia finance.

The guy at Target should have been fired for not doing his job. How stupid to say I can't check you out because you are buying bacon. If he doesn't like it - go work somewhere else or go back to the Middle East.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

But, he never sidesteps anything else, huh?

BTW, that is one of the major reasons the majority of people don't believe in a moderate Muslim and why I can say that I have not seen ENOUGH moderates speak out against the radicals. So, with you saying, he is being a peace maker - NO - he is being an appeaser.

If you have evidence of him sidestepping something else, then yes, we can agree on that as well. As it stands, that is the only thing I have seen him sidestep on.

He has spoken out against the attacks on Ft Hood, and has openly condemned terrorism:

"We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it." He also stated: "We want to rebuild this community. ... This is about moderate Muslims who intend to be and want to be part of the solution."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...mosque21m.html

"Condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

http://www.asmasociety.org/home/p_press_16.html

A verse comes to mind, if you are so inclined to believe it:

Mat 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

Sounds like you are the one not being moderate, not Imam Rauf.

[Sam]

There has been some controversy over this.
Some feel it is a slap in the face to the Americans and especially to the families of those who lost friends and loved ones in this terrorist attack.
Others feel it could be a gesture of good will and healing in that the Muslims could reach out to Americans in love and understanding.
There are a lot of unanswered questions like who is promoting this and where the funding is coming from.

Well, recently a model of the proposed Islamic center has been unveiled and presented to the public.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The video gave the distinct impression that he meant America when he said "communities". He specifically said, ""We have people who are very successful members of this community, of the American community, of this financial community." Rauf

Later, overseas, his story changes. He is not representing honesty. This isn't falsehoods and scare tactics. It is the truth. And I see how easy it was for you to gloss over my video of what is going on in Minnesota with Sharia law and the population there, along with, Sharia finance.

The guy at Target should have been fired for not doing his job. How stupid to say I can't check you out because you are buying bacon. If he doesn't like it - go work somewhere else or go back to the Middle East.

And before that, he gave the distinct impression that funding was coming from all of their communities, when he said:

"As far as the funding, it is coming from our communities."

Did you miss that part in your quest to find him dishonest?

Besides that, the very fact that he has come out and said he is getting funding from both here and overseas would dispel any notion of him hiding it. If he wanted to hide that he was getting funding from overseas, he would actually hide it, not state it in an interview.

I know, I know, craaaaaaazy idea. I am full of them.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

If you have evidence of him sidestepping something else, then yes, we can agree on that as well. As it stands, that is the only thing I have seen him sidestep on.

He has spoken out against the attacks on Ft Hood, and has openly condemned terrorism:

"We condemn terrorists. We recognize it exists in our faith, but we are committed to eradicate it." He also stated: "We want to rebuild this community. ... This is about moderate Muslims who intend to be and want to be part of the solution."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/...mosque21m.html

"Condemns suicide bombings and all violence carried out in the name of religion."

http://www.asmasociety.org/home/p_press_16.html

A verse comes to mind, if you are so inclined to believe it:

Mat 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God."

Sounds like you are the one not being moderate, not Imam Rauf.

Great scripture to throw out to silence anyone from speaking out about things they don't agree with. He obviously was skirting the issue on the funding, as has been reported, but you don't want to look at that.

I'll remind you that Paul, who was jailed illegally, under Roman law, appealed to Cesar. Would you say he wasn't being a peacemaker?

And sorry that I won't side with Rauf's attempt to build a mosque of peace in a community that doesn't want it there. Is he being a peacemaker?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Twisp

And before that, he gave the distinct impression that funding was coming from all of their communities, when he said:

"As far as the funding, it is coming from our communities."

Did you miss that part in your quest to find him dishonest?

Because even the poster on the 9-11 site said that he was giving them the impression it was local money. The NYC Firefighter sure had that impression. He should have stated more plainly, and especially, on the video when he had audience for it.

Besides that, the very fact that he has come out and said he is getting funding from both here and overseas would dispel any notion of him hiding it. If he wanted to hide that he was getting funding from overseas, he would actually hide it, not state it in an interview.

I know, I know, craaaaaaazy idea. I am full of them.

He said that when he was overseas. He didn't say that HERE. That is the difference. So, if by "community", he meant the Muslim world, he should have said so.

But, he didn't? Why not? Because he knows his mosque is causing division and he wants it built at any cost. Now, there's your peacemaker - NOT!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Sam

There are a lot of unanswered questions like who is promoting this and where the funding is coming from.

That is what is troubling to the American people. He refuses to disclose his funding sources and we don't know the names of any of the board members. His attempt to use the name Cordoba put everyone on the defense. There is no way I can believe that was not intentional. Nobody could be that stupid.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Because even the poster on the 9-11 site said that he was giving them the impression it was local money. The NYC Firefighter sure had that impression. He should have stated more plainly, and especially, on the video when he had audience for it.


He said that when he was overseas. He didn't say that HERE. That is the difference. So, if by "community", he meant the Muslim world, he should have said so.

But, he didn't? Why not? Because he knows his mosque is causing division and he wants it built at any cost. Now, there's your peacemaker - NOT!

Which gets us back to the topic of the thread. Will THEY be so understanding and tolerant of the gay bar ('Turban Cowboy" or "You Mecca Me Hot") when it opens up next door as we are expected to be of them?

[Twisp]

Great scripture to throw out to silence anyone from speaking out about things they don't agree with.

Not throwing out any scripture, just commenting on how the Bible views peacemakers. If that is contrary to your beliefs, that is an issue you will need to resolve, not me.

He obviously was skirting the issue on the funding, as has been reported, but you don't want to look at that.

Hmm, he answered both times. First time was "our communities", second time was "this community, the American community, this financial community". That seems to cover everyone.

I'll remind you that Paul, who was jailed illegally, under Roman law, appealed to Cesar. Would you say he wasn't being a peacemaker?

I would say he was being a peacemaker, yes. Unless he was appealing violently, lol.

And sorry that I won't side with Rauf's attempt to build a mosque of peace in a community that doesn't want it there. Is he being a peacemaker?

Yes, he is clearly trying to be a peacemaker and build a bridge between communities, just as he said.

It is your right to not agree with him. No argument there.