For those who believe in a post-trib rapture...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Eliseus

(I posted this on GNC, but wanted to see what respone I might get here as well...)

Those who believe in a post-trib rapture believe that the church will go through a time of tribulation during which the forces of darkness dominating the social, political, economic, and even military-industrial aspects of civilization will wage war against the church.

Basically the Fourth Reich on a global scale.

So my question for those of you who believe in the post-trib rapture, what preparations have you made to 'go through it?'

Not merely in the area of personal, individual, family preparation, but CHURCH preparation? Have you established a network of fellow believers, trustworthy and known to you, that you can depend on (and who can depend on you)?

And finally, what would you say to someone who just recently came to the conclusion that post-trib is correct Bible truth?

Just pray and keep going to church?

Or are there specific steps to be made to prepare for such a time of trouble? Contacts to be made, things to be acquired and things to let go of...?

What say ye?

One man in the 60's preached to get out of the cities and learn to live in the country, and raise your own gardens. He also preached to get out of debt. He went on to call certain areas "Blessed Area's" where church folks should move and learn to live together and strengthen one another. While I think this is good in theory, I don't know that it is what God had in mind.

The first church existed and grew during times of persecution. They had to scatter at times in order to survive, but they did survive. I am convinced that regardless of what happens, the body of Christ will survive.

[Sister Alvear]

Just come on over here to Brazil we will go to the jungle...

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Just come on over here to Brazil we will go to the jungle...

Only if I can bring my guns. I hate snakes, especially anacondas. I'll shoot them on sight if I have the opportunity.

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

We had a lot of food preps at one time. We wound up using and giving a lot away. I simply cant afford to put aside what I did back then. If anyone can afford to put back in abundance it is wise to do so.

One thing we did do is move from a fairly large city in Ohio to a rural area in Ky. That buys us some extra time in Tribulation possibly. To be mobile and led by the Spirit will be very important.

I am not against you I am for you!

I hope I did not give you the impression I thought you were 'against' me, brother!

I agree, mobility is important.

You know, in researching this concept of 'preparation', I found out that a lot of what people today would call 'survival preparedness' is what people 100 years ago would have just considered regular living.

I remember reading the Little House on the Prairie books to my kids years ago. Ma and Pa were what today would be called 'survivalists', although in their day they were just regular people doing regular things.

Having 50 pounds of salt, 50 pounds of beans, 50 pounds of flour, hunting for their own meat, growing their own vegetables, bartering for the things they did not have....

In fact, my grandparents lived pretty much a similar life... dirt poor but always had food because they grew or raised their own and bartered for what they did not have...

I just feel that hard times are coming to America, and a LOT of people are not prepared in any way shape or form to deal with it.

[jwharv]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

One man in the 60's preached to get out of the cities and learn to live in the country, and raise your own gardens. He also preached to get out of debt. He went on to call certain areas "Blessed Area's" where church folks should move and learn to live together and strengthen one another. While I think this is good in theory, I don't know that it is what God had in mind.

The first church existed and grew during times of persecution. They had to scatter at times in order to survive, but they did survive. I am convinced that regardless of what happens, the body of Christ will survive.

His initials weren't DT were they???

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by jwharv

His initials weren't DT were they???

:sshhh

We don't want to open that door.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

It looks like the corn is NOT going to make it through the tribulation if it doesn't start quick.
One question if all this weight is falling off your neighbors in the trib and you are yet fat and sassy the neighbors might figure you have a secret stash. Goodbye corn. I am eating mine now.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If there is any left y'all can have my corn when I leave.

[Sister Alvear]

Keep some corn for me to plant!

[REDEEMED1]

For those who believe we are going to suffer tribulation here on earth simple because people on the past suffered it, that is not correct. If the only way to get saved during the tribulation is by being martyred, then most of you are suffering from a martyrs complex. ACTS 2:38 does not include martyrdom. The 7 year tribulation are years of WRATH. Read rev 6. Wrath before and wrath from the beginning of the seals. God will not leave his people on earth during this troublesome time. If you had a small child and knew that they were walking in the middle of a busy intersection, would you just leave them and say they have to suffer tribulation? NO, you would REMOVE them from the DANGER. Tell me how you will eat, drink, buy food, or even grow food if the sun goes out and does not shine its light? I love you all, but the post-trib has so many fallacies for the church of God

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by REDEEMED1

For those who believe we are going to suffer tribulation here on earth simple because people on the past suffered it, that is not correct. If the only way to get saved during the tribulation is by being martyred, then most of you are suffering from a martyrs complex.

Having been pretrib decades ago, and surveying it for myself and comparing it with actual bible, I found it lacking. One thing I noticed that was false was the point you make above. There is no salvation by any other means than the blood of Jesus. It is severely wrong to think martyrdom will save a soul. The blood of Jesus was offered ONCE AND FOR ALL. That means everyone from the cross on can be saved by that blood and that there is no other means to be saved than that blood -- not martyrdom, not law-keeping, not animal sacrifices. Nothing but the blood of Jesus.

Show ONE VERSE that says martyrdom saves a soul! The bible teaches no man gets to the Father but by Jesus. And that is the blood of Jesus in atonement for our souls. Beware when someone says there is a way to salvation aside from the blood of Jesus, like this claim that OUR OWN BLOOD can save us in martyrdom!

ACTS 2:38 does not include martyrdom. The 7 year tribulation are years of WRATH. Read rev 6. Wrath before and wrath from the beginning of the seals. God will not leave his people on earth during this troublesome time.

That is an emotional response that has no scriptural backing.

Where does the bible say God does not leave his people on earth in troublesome times? The Book of Revelation says GOD KEEPS or PROTECTS His people DURING troublesmoe times... not removes them.

Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Keeping us from the HOUR is not keeping us from the TIME PERIOD. It is PROTECTING US DURING that trouble. Jesus used the word HOUR and described his suffering.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

If you had a small child and knew that they were walking in the middle of a busy intersection, would you just leave them and say they have to suffer tribulation? NO, you would REMOVE them from the DANGER. Tell me how you will eat, drink, buy food, or even grow food if the sun goes out and does not shine its light? I love you all, but the post-trib has so many fallacies for the church of God

I am not post-trib rapturist, but all your arguments are emotionally based without sound scriptural foundation. Where does the bible say God treats us like little children in a busy intersection, or anything similar to it? We must through much tribulation enter the Kingdom.

The only thing that comes close, but does not even say what you claim, is this:

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

This means God will ensure we can BEAR the trouble and go through it. BEARING IT is not avoiding it.

WHat pretrtibbers do nto realize also is that the great tribulation is ONLY FOR JUDAEA.

Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
...

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

It is NOT WORLDWIDE. Just in Judaea, otherwise everyone in the earth should flee to the mountains. The reason they are to flee is because the great tribulation would occur. But he only told those in JUDAEA to flee, since that is the only place this tribulation would occur.

Pretrib teaching is pocked with holes.. I am not post-trib, but post-trib makes far more sense than pretrib.

My thoughts, anyway.
God bless!