Pornography and Disability

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I am in no way against counseling or helping our brothers and sisters. We can learn a lot and do a lot for each other, but we are not the deliverer, God is. He does have the power whether some believe it or not. He hasn't changed. Yes, they might need us to talk to someone in the middle of the night? Who? I have been there, there's usually no one around. But God is!!!! When temptation tries to overcome us, we call on the name of Jesus don't we? Or do we call our friends?

All "counseling" from believers should point to the power of God for deliverence.

[*AQuietPlace*]

I have known people who were delivered instantaneously. I've known others who weren't, it was a process.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I have known people who were delivered instantaneously. I've known others who weren't, it was a process.

Yes, but we can't negate where the real power and deliverance comes from. For some it might take many years of struggle.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Wasn't implying that.

Sure you did. You said, "I disagree...because I know the power of God." What else am I supposed to conclude?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Why not? Can't God fully deliver us from anything? When did He lose His power?
Why will our words, our counseling, do something God can't? Hasn't He done it before, when hands were laid on people? When they were prayed for and delivered? He can't and doesn't do that? According to who? How does man break a stronghold? What power does any man have to do that? Where does the Spiritual empowerment come from? Men or God?

Can God? Sure, He can. He can make paraplegics jump out of wheelchairs, He can make pigs fly, He can cause the Pacific Ocean to part. He can do anything. But how often do we see these things? Virtually never.

I'm not arguing against God's ability, I'm simply saying that, because of our laziness and a misunderstanding of God's methodology, we cheat many out of full recovery.

Having our hair stand up on the back of our neck is NOT deliverance. Unfortunately, we have to get out of bed on Monday and live real life.

When we attempt to end the process at the laying on of hands, we are aborting the real recovery process, which requires a LOT of help.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Yeah, I wonder how much counseling the man who was crazy that Jesus cast devils out needed? He sat next to Jesus clothed and in his right mind. What do we tell him , "we got a 12 step program for you"

Jesus also picked up lame men from cots and they walked. He also instantly gave sight to the blind. When was the last time you saw that happen?


Yes, we ABSOLUTELY tell him we've got a "program" for him.

[Azzan]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I have known people who were delivered instantaneously. I've known others who weren't, it was a process.

In your experience, of those ones you mentioned who had to go through a "process", were they all eventually delivered?

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Azzan

In your experience, of those ones you mentioned who had to go through a "process", were they all eventually delivered?

I've known some who were. Others got very discouraged with the process.

I've never understand why some people get instant deliverance and others don't. But there are a lot of things I don't understand.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by notofworks

They're not easy by spiritual effort, either. The "magic wand" mentality of having hands laid on our head and everything being solved in an instant is a fantasy world. Breaking free of these strongholds requires time, great friends, confession circles, often counseling, teamwork, and Spiritual empowerment.

I remember some words I heard or read from a minister way back when about John 11:44. Jesus had spoken the words, "Lazarus, come forth" and it is recorded that "he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes; and his face was bound about with a napkin." Then Jesus spoke to some there and said, "Loose him, and let him go." The preacher's comment was that when Lazarus walked out of that grave he had life but no liberty. The application was that he had passed from death to life but he was still bound by graveclothes and needed the help of others to unwrap those garments and remove the face napkin. Just passing from death to life was a miracle but he needed the help and support of others to transition into his new life.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

I remember some words I heard or read from a minister way back when about John 11:44. Jesus had spoken the words, "Lazarus, come forth" and it is recorded that "he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes; and his face was bound about with a napkin." Then Jesus spoke to some there and said, "Loose him, and let him go." The preacher's comment was that when Lazarus walked out of that grave he had life but no liberty. The application was that he had passed from death to life but he was still bound by graveclothes and needed the help of others to unwrap those garments and remove the face napkin. Just passing from death to life was a miracle but he needed the help and support of others to transition into his new life.

Wow....that's really good. GREAT words.