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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Great, so how about this:

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Based on the Word of God, if a man isn't born of the water, which is being baptized in Jesus name which is the official position of this forum, and if a man isn't born of the Spirit, which is receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, which is the official position of this forum, that man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven!

And if a man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, the only other option is to spend an eternity in a devil's hell!!

So if a man is not baptized in Jesus name (born of the water) and filled with the Holy Ghost (born of the Spirit), that man will not go to heaven but will spend an eternity in a devil's hell!

CAN I SAY THAT????

You've never answered why you think "being born of the water" is "baptism in Jesus name."

There are TWO BIRTHS being spoken of here. The "First Birth" ("... my mother's womb" - Nicodemus) and the "Second Birth" ("You must be born again..." - Jesus).

Jesus said that you have to be born twice. The "First Birth" and the "Second Birth."

You must be born "of the water" (The First Birth) and "The Spirit" (the Second Birth).

Just where is baptism mentioned at all in this context?