THIS is True Love!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Well, if you're appalled, I'm appalled so now we're both appalled. Mr. Phelps said that maybe it was time for him to leave, and I just agreed with him. Maybe you should be appalled at him.

Yes, you want moderates and liberals to feel welcome. But you muzzle the conservatives. You may want us to feel welcome, but you won't let us speak our hearts. Everyone else gets to but we don't. Pelathas can write all he wants about the supposed evil actions of the UPC General Board and the 92 resolution, but if I recite the core values of decades worth of apostolic-pentecostal-UPC teachings, I'm punished.

You all can defend it all you like, but it is what it is. You're probably just under conviction for cutting your hair.

Since you mention me by name, I'll chime in... I actually wondered if you had me on "Ignore" since you refused to respond to anything I said or asked you. That's really the purpose of this forum - discussion. When the first predecessor of this forum first came out - (FCF) it was the very first place where a wide range of Apostolics could come together and truly ask questions.

The climate of fear and silence within our movement is something that has been commented upon by just about everyone who has looked in on "Apostolic" churches. Most come away calling it a "climate of fear." To be able to finally speak up and freely ask questions was exhilarating.

You complain that you couldn't "speak freely" yet that does not appear to be the reason why you've been scolded. You came right out and called Sister Haney a "Jezebel." That wouldn't have been tolerated even back when AFF was owned and controlled by one of your "ultra-cons." You've also "judged" people who didn't agree with you and "sent them to hell." That broke a rule that was also written by an "ultra-con."

Concerning the 1992 General Conference - I was there. I was in the business meetings and the public worship services. I heard Jesse Williams rebuke those who brought the Westberg Resolution for "telling smutty jokes." He did so in front of the entire Conference. I heard Jame Kilgore mislead the Conference by saying "99% of the General Board supported the Resolution." Brother Kilgore has said many times - publicly - that he wished he had never spoken up. He regretted that the Resolution had been so divisive and he "grieved" over his own role in its passage.

That's not "supposedly" - that's a fact. Ask anyone who was there or even ask those I have named. These are the things that they said. No judgment from me - no "sending people to hell" - just the facts.