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Originally Posted by jfrog
NOPE. That is not your point. Your point has been that a man is born again when he is baptized and receives the Holy Ghost and saying that being born of God is not an event contradicts your position because you view the new birth as being completed at baptism and reception of the Holy Ghost. Of course I think you were trying to say that there are things we should go on and do after being born again and with that I agree, but I would not have chosen your wording that being born of God isn't just an event because I think it really is just an event and a very amazing one at that!
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Being born of God isn't just an event, its a work that continues throughout our life.. it begins at repentance and is further solidifed with baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost but the WORK of the new birth in you continues. No that doesn't contradict my position. That is my position.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
Further, using the 1 John verse about those that sinneth not being born of God in the way you are also contradicts your position that baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost is what accomplishes the new birth because you call baptized and spirit filled believers born again even if they sin. So I'll make you a deal. Start preaching that baptized and Spirit filled believers who sin aren't born again and I won't call you a hypocrite for using that verse against my doctrine but not applying it to your own.
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Call me whatever you like. Baptism and the HG helps us be free the power of sin. It DOES NOT prevent us from sinning but helps us not to CONTINUE in sin which is what the verse is talking about.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
I wanted to add that if you find yourself struggling for explanation of 1 John 5:18 which doesn't contradict your view that being baptized and receiving the Holy Ghost is the new birth then ask and I'll happily give you an explanation that will allow 1 John 5:18 to not contradict your view or mine.
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You have quite an imagination or totally misunderstanding me. I'm not struggling with that verse. I simply pointed out the verse because believing is the not the only mark of being born again.
But if you want to add an explanation, I'll be glad to read it. I have no conflict with the way I read it now.
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